samples/spam_mails.csv - master - cyberknowledge/phishing


1	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Thu Aug 22 12:36:23 2002 From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030377287.06fa6d@DeepEddy.Com> Cc: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <13258.1030015585@munnari.OZ.AU> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:46 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030377287.06fa6d@DeepEddy.Com> Message-ID: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> \| I can't reproduce this error. For me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail). This is the debug log of the pick happening ... 18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury} 18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}} 18:19:04 Marking 1 hits 18:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression "int ... Note, if I run the pick command by hand ... delta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 1 hit That's where the "1 hit" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm using is ... delta$ pick -version pick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002] And the relevant part of my .mh_profile ... delta$ mhparam pick -seq sel -list Since the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the one that's explicit on the command line, from the search popup, and the one that comes from .mh_profile) do get created. kre ps: this is still using the version of the code form a day ago, I haven't been able to reach the cvs repository today (local routing issue I think). _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2	From Steve_Burt@cursor-system.com Thu Aug 22 12:46:39 2002 Message-Id: <5EC2AD6D2314D14FB64BDA287D25D9EF12B4F6@exchange1.cps.local> To: "'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'" <zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com> From: Steve Burt <Steve_Burt@cursor-system.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:46:18 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] RE: Alexander Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin A posted: Tassos Papadopoulos, the Greek sculptor behind the plan, judged that the limestone of Mount Kerdylio, 70 miles east of Salonika and not far from the Mount Athos monastic community, was ideal for the patriotic sculpture. As well as Alexander's granite features, 240 ft high and 170 ft wide, a museum, a restored amphitheatre and car park for admiring crowds are planned --------------------- So is this mountain limestone or granite? If it's limestone, it'll weather pretty fast. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3	From timc@2ubh.com Thu Aug 22 13:52:59 2002 Return-Path: <timc@2ubh.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0314547C66 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:59 +0100 (IST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MCrdZ07070 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:39 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52733-1030020820-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:40 -0000 X-Sender: timc@2ubh.com X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 76099 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rhenium.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from host217-36-23-185.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.23.185]) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17hrT0-0004gj-00 for forteana@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) To: zzzzteana <zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com> X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <E17hrT0-0004gj-00@rhenium.btinternet.com> From: "Tim Chapman" <timc@2ubh.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: tim2ubh MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:38 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] Moscow bomber Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man Threatens Explosion In Moscow Thursday August 22, 2002 1:40 PM MOSCOW (AP) - Security officers on Thursday seized an unidentified man who said he was armed with explosives and threatened to blow up his truck in front of Russia's Federal Security Services headquarters in Moscow, NTV television reported. The officers seized an automatic rifle the man was carrying, then the man got out of the truck and was taken into custody, NTV said. No other details were immediately available. The man had demanded talks with high government officials, the Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies said. Ekho Moskvy radio reported that he wanted to talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Police and security forces rushed to the Security Service building, within blocks of the Kremlin, Red Square and the Bolshoi Ballet, and surrounded the man, who claimed to have one and a half tons of explosives, the news agencies said. Negotiations continued for about one and a half hours outside the building, ITAR-Tass and Interfax reported, citing witnesses. The man later drove away from the building, under police escort, and drove to a street near Moscow's Olympic Penta Hotel, where authorities held further negotiations with him, the Moscow police press service said. The move appeared to be an attempt by security services to get him to a more secure location. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
4	From irregulars-admin@tb.tf Thu Aug 22 14:23:39 2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <p04330137b98a941c58a8@[209.202.248.109]> To: undisclosed-recipient: ; From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [IRR] Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Sender: irregulars-admin@tb.tf Errors-To: irregulars-admin@tb.tf Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:25 -0400 Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Already the most prolific virus ever, Klez continues to wreak havoc. Andrew Brandt >>From the September 2002 issue of PC World magazine Posted Thursday, August 01, 2002 The Klez worm is approaching its seventh month of wriggling across the Web, making it one of the most persistent viruses ever. And experts warn that it may be a harbinger of new viruses that use a combination of pernicious approaches to go from PC to PC. Antivirus software makers Symantec and McAfee both report more than 2000 new infections daily, with no sign of letup at press time. The British security firm MessageLabs estimates that 1 in every 300 e-mail messages holds a variation of the Klez virus, and says that Klez has already surpassed last summer's SirCam as the most prolific virus ever. And some newer Klez variants aren't merely nuisances--they can carry other viruses in them that corrupt your data. ... http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,103259,00.asp _______________________________________________ Irregulars mailing list Irregulars@tb.tf http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
5	From Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 14:44:26 2002 Return-Path: <Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC69D47C66 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:44:25 +0100 (IST) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MDcOZ08504 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:25 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52736-1030023506-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 13:38:26 -0000 X-Sender: Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 13:38:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 48882 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 13:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 13:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk) (129.215.80.253) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 13:38:24 -0000 Received: from ee.ed.ac.uk (sxs@dunblane [129.215.34.86]) by postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g7MDcNi28645 for <forteana@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3D64E94E.8060301@ee.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Scottish Microelectronics Centre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020628 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com References: <3D64F325.11319.61EA648@localhost> From: Stewart Smith <Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk> X-Yahoo-Profile: stochasticus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:22 +0100 Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > in adding cream to spaghetti carbonara, which has the same effect on pasta as > making a pizza a deep-pie; I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and ask what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream? I've never seen a recipe that hasn't used this. Personally I use low fat creme fraiche because it works quite nicely but the only time I've seen an supposedly authentic recipe for carbonara it was identical to mine (cream, eggs and lots of fresh parmesan) except for the creme fraiche. Stew -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
6	From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 14:54:39 2002 Organization: Management School To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <3D64FA3C.13325.63A5960@localhost> Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3D64E94E.8060301@ee.ed.ac.uk> Content-Description: Mail message body From: "Martin Adamson" <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and > ask > what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream? Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta, really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta cooks the egg. That's my understanding. Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
7	From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 14:54:40 2002 Organization: Management School To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <3D64FB27.18538.63DEC17@localhost> Priority: normal Content-Description: Mail message body From: "Martin Adamson" <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:25 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] Playboy wants to go out with a bang Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
8	From Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 15:05:07 2002 Return-Path: <Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF86747C67 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:05:01 +0100 (IST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7ME1MZ09279 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:22 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52739-1030024883-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:23 -0000 X-Sender: Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 14:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 45116 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 14:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk) (129.215.80.253) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:22 -0000 Received: from ee.ed.ac.uk (sxs@dunblane [129.215.34.86]) by postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g7ME1Li02942 for <forteana@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3D64EEB0.2050502@ee.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Scottish Microelectronics Centre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020628 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com References: <3D64FA3C.13325.63A5960@localhost> From: Stewart Smith <Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk> X-Yahoo-Profile: stochasticus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Adamson wrote: > > Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta, > really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta > cooks the egg. That's my understanding. > You're probably right, mine's just the same but with the cream added to the eggs. I guess I should try it without. Actually looking on the internet for a recipe I found this one from possibly one of the scariest people I've ever seen, and he's a US Congressman: <http://www.virtualcities.com/ons/me/gov/megvjb1.htm> That's one of the worst non-smiles ever. Stew ps. Apologies if any of the list's Maine residents voted for this man, you won't do it again once you've seen this pic. -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
9	From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 15:05:07 2002 Organization: Management School To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <3D64FCD2.20705.6447320@localhost> Priority: normal Content-Description: Mail message body From: "Martin Adamson" <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:33 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] Meaningful sentences Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit says: "Prison is sometimes the first time some criminals will ever have known a stable environment, and this can be the first time they have the chance to focus on their creative skills. "It may also be the first time that they have really had the chance of an education, if their early years have been hard. It could be the first time anyone has offered them the chance to explore their creative talents." However, Richards believes the reasons are also deeper than that. He says: "Once they are behind bars, the cold light of day hits them, and they examine the very essence of who they are. "They ask themselves, am I a man who wants to be remembered for violence? Or am I a man who can contribute to society, who can be remembered for something good?" Bronson - who was born Michael Gordon Peterson, but changed his name to that of the Hollywood star of the Death Wish films - has, so far, been remembered mainly for things bad. He was originally jailed for seven years for armed robbery in 1974, and has had a series of sentences added to his original term over the years as a result of attacking people in prison. In 2000 he was jailed for life after being convicted of holding a teacher hostage for nearly two days during a jail siege. Standing five feet ten and a half inches tall and weighing 210lbs, he is renowned for his strength. He has bent metal cell doors with his bare hands and does up to 3,000 - yes, 3,000 - press-ups a day. As he puts it: "I can hit a man 20 times in four seconds, I can push 132 press ups in 60 seconds." But judging by our current obsession with health and exercise, Solitary Fitness might be the book which will see Bronson�s face sitting on every coffee table in the land. He might be the man to give us the dream body which so many so-called fitness gurus promise but fail to motivate us into. Because Bronson has learned to use words as powerfully as he can use his fists. "All this crap about high-protein drinks, pills, diets, it�s just a load of bollocks and a multi-million-pound racket," he writes, in what can only be described as a refreshingly honest style. "We can all be fat lazy bastards, it�s our choice, I�m sick of hearing and reading about excuses, if you stuff your face with shit you become shit, that�s logical to me." As motivational mantras go, that might be just the kick up the, er, backside we all needed. Solitary Fitness by Charles Bronson is published by Mirage Publishing and will be available in bookstores from October at �7.99 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
10	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Thu Aug 22 12:36:23 2002 From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030377287.06fa6d@DeepEddy.Com> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <13258.1030015585@munnari.OZ.AU> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:46 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030377287.06fa6d@DeepEddy.Com> Message-ID: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> \| I can't reproduce this error. For me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail). This is the debug log of the pick happening ... 18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury} 18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}} 18:19:04 Marking 1 hits 18:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression "int ... Note, if I run the pick command by hand ... delta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 1 hit That's where the "1 hit" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm using is ... delta$ pick -version pick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002] And the relevant part of my .mh_profile ... delta$ mhparam pick -seq sel -list Since the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the one that's explicit on the command line, from the search popup, and the one that comes from .mh_profile) do get created. kre ps: this is still using the version of the code form a day ago, I haven't been able to reach the cvs repository today (local routing issue I think). _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
11	From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 22 15:25:29 2002 Message-Id: <001001c249e6$863c4e00$13cca341@networksonline.com> From: "NOI Administrator" <admin@networksonline.com> To: <spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SAtalk] SA CGI Configurator Scripts Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:16:36 -0400 I have been trying to research via SA mirrors and search engines if a canned script exists giving clients access to their user_prefs options via a web-based CGI interface. Numerous ISPs provide this feature to clients, but so far I can find nothing. Our configuration uses Amavis-Postfix and ClamAV for virus filtering and Procmail with SpamAssassin for spam filtering. I would prefer not to have to write a script myself, but will appreciate any suggestions. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
12	From spamassassin-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 22 15:25:29 2002 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 From: David H=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=hn <dh@uptime.at> To: <spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net> Message-Id: <B98ABFA4.1F87%dh@uptime.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SAdev] Interesting approach to Spam handling.. Sender: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:48 +0200 Hello, have you seen and discussed this article and his approach? Thank you http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html -- "Hell, there are no rules here-- we're trying to accomplish something." -- Thomas Alva Edison ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
13	From spamassassin-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 22 16:27:25 2002 Message-Id: <3D64FFC4.5010908@perkel.com> From: Marc Perkel <marc@perkel.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Theo Van Dinter <felicity@kluge.net> Cc: spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAdev] Live Rule Updates after Release ??? References: <3D64F4E8.7040000@perkel.com> <20020822151134.GD6369@kluge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:12 -0700 Yes - great minds think alike. But even withput eval rules it would be very useful. It would allow us to respond quickly to spammer's tricks. Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:27:52AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > >>Has anyone though of the idea of live updates of rules after release? The >>idea being that the user can run a cron job once a week or so and get the >>new default rule set. This would allow us to react faster to: > > > I suggested this a few months ago. I don't remember the details of what > came out of it except that it would only be useful for non-eval rules > since those require code changes. > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
14	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 16:27:21 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A28A43F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:27:21 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MFQmZ12280 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:26:48 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07188; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:32 +0100 Received: from moe.jinny.ie ([193.120.171.3]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07145 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host [193.120.171.3] claimed to be moe.jinny.ie Received: from jlooney.jinny.ie (unknown [193.120.171.2]) by moe.jinny.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938BD7FC46; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:23 +0100 (IST) Received: by jlooney.jinny.ie (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4F57189D; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:45 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:45 +0100 From: "John P. Looney" <valen@tuatha.org> To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org Cc: ilug@linux.ie Message-Id: <20020822152545.GJ3670@jinny.ie> Reply-To: valen@tuatha.org Mail-Followup-To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, ilug@linux.ie References: <200208172056.g7HKuHm05754@raq.iceblink.org> <1029624922.14769.119.camel@atherton> <20020819140815.GY26818@jinny.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020819140815.GY26818@jinny.ie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Os: Red Hat Linux 7.3/Linux 2.4.18-3 X-Url: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen X-Gnupg-Publickey: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen/public.asc Subject: [ILUG] Re: Problems with RAID1 on cobalt raq3 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 03:08:16PM +0100, John P. Looney mentioned: > This is likely because to get it to boot, like the cobalt, I'm actually > passing root=/dev/hda5 to the kernel, not /dev/md0. Just to solve this...the reason I was booting the box with root=/dev/hda5, not /dev/md0 was because /dev/md0 wasn't booting - it would barf with 'can't find init'. It turns out that this is because I was populating md0 with tar. Which seems to have 'issues' with crosslinked files - for instance, it was trying to make a hard link of glibc.so to hda - and failing. It was only as I did it again with a friend present, that he spotted the errors, and queried them. We noticed that the hard linked files just didn't exist on the new rootfs. When we duplicated the filesystems with dump instead of tar, it worked fine, I was able to tell lilo to use root=/dev/md0 and everything worked. Woohoo. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
15	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Thu Aug 22 16:37:36 2002 To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>, exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1317289252P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030029953.13171.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030461953.beb807@DeepEddy.Com> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0500 --==_Exmh_-1317289252P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:40:39 -0500 > > > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> > > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:17:45 -0500 > > > > Ouch...I'll get right on it. > > > > > From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> > > > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:30:01 +0700 > > > > > > Any chance of having that lengthen instead? I like all my exmh stuff > > > in nice columns (fits the display better). That is, I use the detache > d > > > folder list, one column. The main exmh window takes up full screen, > > > top to bottom, but less than half the width, etc... > > I thought about that. The first order approximation would be to just add > using pack .... -side top instead of pack ... -side left, however, since their > each a different width, it would look funny. I've done this. It's not as pretty as I think it should be, but it works. I'm going to leave the cosmetic issues to others. When I update the documentation, I'll add this to the exmh.TODO file. I'm leaving for a 2 1/2 week vacation in a week, so this is the last new functionality I'm going to add for a while. Also, I now have pretty much everything in there that I want for my own use, so I'm probably pretty much done. I'll work on bug fixes and documentation before my vacation, and hopefully do nothing more afterwards. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1317289252P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZQJ/K9b4h5R0IUIRAiPuAJwL4mUus5whLNQZC8MsDlGpEdKNrACcDfZH PcGgN9frLIM+C5Z3vagi2wE= =qJoJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1317289252P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
16	From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 22 16:37:41 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB9843F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:37:40 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MFbVZ12617 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:37:32 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D5029409A; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from sunserver.permafrost.net (u172n16.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.172.16]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3703F294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.179] (helo=permafrost.net) by sunserver.permafrost.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17htxj-0008Ad-00 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:33:31 -0300 Message-Id: <3D6505C3.2020405@permafrost.net> From: Owen Byrne <owen@permafrost.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: The case for spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:39:47 -0300 SpamAssassin is hurting democracy! Owen --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/3900215.htm Internet can level the political playing field By Mike McCurry and Larry Purpuro NOT many months from now, people across the country will experience one of the great recurring features of American democracy. At shopping malls, on factory floors, at church socials and even on our front stoops, we will be approached by individuals who want to represent us in public office. While chances are high that we won't know them personally, they will walk up to us, offer a handshake and a flier and ask for our votes. Just as technology is affecting every other area of communication, it has begun to affect the way political candidates communicate with voters. In this year's GOP gubernatorial primary, California Secretary of State Bill Jones, who faced better-funded candidates, acquired the e-mail addresses of more than a million potential California voters and sent each an unsolicited e-mail asking for support. That day, he might have chosen any of the more traditional -- and more expensive -- methods of contacting voters, such as direct mail, radio spots or TV ads. But he spent only about 2 cents per message, instead of 35 cents or more per message for direct mail or in another medium. Had Jones chosen direct mail, radio or TV, that communication would have been equally ``unsolicited,'' as defined in the e-mail world. Few voters would have ``opted in'' to receive campaign information from Jones through any of those channels. The response to Jones' e-mail effort, however, was swift and intense. He was lambasted by anti-spam advocates, and media coverage was almost entirely negative. To be fair, some of Jones' tactics could have been refined. He used a less-than-perfect list and no standard-practice ``paid for'' disclaimer in the message. His detractors, however, attacked him not for his tactical miscues but because the e-mail was sent unsolicited. In fact, Jones' online campaign may have been his most visible asset. In an era of cynicism toward money in politics -- money typically spent on other unsolicited communication mediums -- Jones tried to level the playing field. No one likes commercial spam. It is irrelevant and untargeted and can be highly intrusive and even offensive. But as a sophisticated society, it's time to differentiate commercial spam from very different unsolicited e-mail sent by political candidates to voters. The debate is particularly relevant in light of legislation in Congress that would constitute the first federal law to directly address spam. We believe e-mail is no more intrusive than direct mail, telemarketing or TV advertising when it comes to politicians seeking to reach voters. A simple link in good e-mail campaigns allows recipients to opt out of future mailings. Direct mail takes at least a phone call or stamp to be taken off a list, and viewers must repeatedly endure TV ads. When a candidate lacks a large campaign war chest, he or she can use the Internet to provide constituents with information to better prepare them to perform their civic duty of casting educated votes. With more than 60 percent of all potential voters in this country possessing e-mail accounts, it makes sense that political candidates use this medium. Candidates might avoid some of the tactical problems encountered by the Jones campaign if they use the technologies available today that better ensure quality of e-mail lists and target content to specific recipient groups. But the broader point remains. When a political candidate sends a voter an e-mail, that recipient can choose to delete the message without opening it, unsubscribe from the list, read it or even reply and engage the sender. That choice should belong to the voter -- not to anti-spam advocates whose efforts are better focused on commercial e-mail. Political candidates should be free to communicate with voters as best they can, and let voters decide what to do with that information. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike McCurry, former press secretary for President Clinton, is CEO of an advocacy management and communications software company. Larry Purpuro, the former Republican National Committee deputy chief of staff, is founder and president of a political e-marketing firm. This was written for the Los Angeles Times. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
17	From iiu-admin@taint.org Thu Aug 22 17:08:44 2002 Message-Id: <3D650A2D.1000301@dcu.ie> From: Bernard Michael Tyers <bernard.tyers@dcu.ie> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iiu <iiu@taint.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [IIU] Eircom aDSL Nat'ing Sender: iiu-admin@taint.org Errors-To: iiu-admin@taint.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: iiu@taint.org Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:58:37 +0100 Hi all, apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but), but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed? and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs) any help pointers would be helpful, cheers -- rgrds, Bernard -- Bernard Tyers * National Centre for Sensor Research * P:353-1-700-5273 * E: bernard.tyers@dcu.ie * W: www.physics.dcu.ie/~bty * L:N117 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
18	From robert.chambers@baesystems.com Thu Aug 22 17:19:36 2002 Return-Path: <robert.chambers@baesystems.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AD843F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:26 +0100 (IST) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MGBSZ13944 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:11:28 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52742-1030032689-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:29 -0000 X-Sender: robert.chambers@baesystems.com X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 71045 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:27 -0000 To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <ak32ff+rh64@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c248f5$1cd98500$508827d9@b5w3e9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "uncle_slacky" <robert.chambers@baesystems.com> X-Originating-Ip: 20.138.254.2 X-Yahoo-Profile: uncle_slacky MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:11:27 -0000 Subject: [zzzzteana] Re: Australian Catholic Kiddie Perv Steps Aside Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- In forteana@y..., "D.McMann" <dmcmann@b...> wrote: > Robert Moaby, 33, who sent death threats to staff, was also jailed > for hoarding indecent pictures of children on his home computer. > ========= > > Hmm, if I didn't trust our government and secret police, I could look at > this another way.... There is a bit of circumstantial evidence - apparently some MT listers were approached by him (via email) - a little research in dejanews/google groups showed a number of messages from him, clearly hoping to contact girls, appearing in "alt.teens" and similar groups - I just tried a Google Groups search on "Robert Moaby" and some of them came top of the list. Note for Marie - "MT" stands for Mark Thomas, a slightly slimmer, UK version of your Michael Moore - the mailing list is named after him. Rob ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
1853	Return-Path: anthony@interlink.com.au Delivery-Date: Sat Sep 7 04:44:50 2002 From: anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:44:50 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate In-Reply-To: <200209062026.g86KQqJ03393@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200209070344.g873io020676@localhost.localdomain> > Looks like your ham corpus by and large has To: jeremy@alum.mit.edu in > a header while your spam corpus by and large doesn't. But this one > does. Interestingly, for me, one of the highest value spam indicators was the name of the mail host that the spam was delivered to, in the To: line. So mail to info@gin.elax2.ekorp.com was pretty much a dead cert for the filters. -- Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2908	From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Aug 28 18:28:06 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52A143F99 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:28:06 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7SHLxZ02684 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:22:13 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631EE29422C; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from jamesr.best.vwh.net (jamesr.best.vwh.net [192.220.76.165]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 81DA529409A for <fork@xent.com>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 53311 invoked by uid 19621); 28 Aug 2002 17:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avalon) ([64.125.200.18]) (envelope-sender <jamesr@best.com>) by 192.220.76.165 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <fork@xent.com>; 28 Aug 2002 17:20:03 -0000 Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies From: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> To: fork@example.com In-Reply-To: <3D6BA1A1.90306@barrera.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0208270202170.7689-100000@watcher.mithral.com> <3D6BA1A1.90306@barrera.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Message-Id: <1030556128.7585.29.camel@avalon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 28 Aug 2002 10:35:27 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.1 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 08:58, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > > C is more reliable than Java?? Both are reliable. "Reliability" is more a function of the software engineer. I've written complicated mission-critical server software in Java that will run without a hiccup as long as the Unix box it is sitting on is running. Same with C. For processes that are running months at a time, and in my case constantly touching databases and doing lots of low-level network stuff, reliability is obtained by making sure every conceivable problem (and problems you didn't conceive of) recovers to a clean/safe process state so that things keep running i.e. it is a design/programming issue. That said, we usually prototype serious systems in Java and then re-implement them in C if we have time. Java doesn't scale well as a language for server apps, though not for the reasons usually offered. The problem is that for high-end server apps, you really need fairly detailed and low-level control of system resources to get around bottlenecks that show up relatively quickly in languages that don't give you access to it. You can squeeze several times the performance out of a C server program than a Java one simply by being able to finely tune (or more frequently, bypass) the system resource management. Nonetheless, this is not a significant factor for most applications you could conceivably develop in either language, as most aren't limited by raw performance scalability. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
19	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:19:31 2002 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:13:01 +0100 Message-Id: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> Thread-Topic: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Thread-Index: AcJJ9p29v19nVAypRv25aSssWGeNQAAABtrw From: "Fergal Moran" <fergal.moran@wasptech.com> To: "Kiall Mac Innes" <kiall@redpie.com>, "ILUG" <ilug@linux.ie> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk From: Kiall Mac Innes [mailto:kiall@redpie.com] > Sent: 22 August 2002 17:23 > To: ILUG > Subject: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. > > > Can someone explain what type of operating system Solaris > is... as ive never seen or used it i dont know wheather to > get a server from Sun or from DELL i would prefer a linux > based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but im not > sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely > different operating system? can someone explain... > > Kiall Mac Innes > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
20	From robert.chambers@baesystems.com Thu Aug 22 17:19:36 2002 To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <ak32r3+4q45@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 From: "uncle_slacky" <robert.chambers@baesystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:17:39 -0000 Subject: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You? Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apols if this has been posted before: http://www.pinkpaperclips.net/subs/quiz2.html Rob ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
21	From Steve_Burt@cursor-system.com Thu Aug 22 12:46:39 2002 Message-Id: <5EC2AD6D2314D14FB64BDA287D25D9EF12B4F6@exchange1.cps.local> To: "'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'" <zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com> From: Steve Burt <Steve_Burt@cursor-system.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:46:18 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] RE: Alexander Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin A posted: Tassos Papadopoulos, the Greek sculptor behind the plan, judged that the limestone of Mount Kerdylio, 70 miles east of Salonika and not far from the Mount Athos monastic community, was ideal for the patriotic sculpture. As well as Alexander's granite features, 240 ft high and 170 ft wide, a museum, a restored amphitheatre and car park for admiring crowds are planned --------------------- So is this mountain limestone or granite? If it's limestone, it'll weather pretty fast. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
22	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:19:25 2002 From: "Kiall Mac Innes" <kiall@redpie.com> To: "ILUG" <ilug@linux.ie> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:23:15 +0100 Message-Id: <BCEFLMCEIJHPCPLGADJIGEEFCAAA.kiall@redpie.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal Subject: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
23	From timc@2ubh.com Thu Aug 22 17:31:00 2002 To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <E17huko-0000JF-00@carbon> From: "Tim Chapman" <timc@2ubh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:23:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You? Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Apols if this has been posted before: > > http://www.pinkpaperclips.net/subs/quiz2.html > So, anyone who isn't Beaker? TimC Meep ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
24	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:45:53 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BC143F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:45:53 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MGbKZ14933 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:37:20 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10694; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:27 +0100 Received: from moe.jinny.ie ([193.120.171.3]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10669 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host [193.120.171.3] claimed to be moe.jinny.ie Received: from jlooney.jinny.ie (unknown [193.120.171.2]) by moe.jinny.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C906A7FC48 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:19 +0100 (IST) Received: by jlooney.jinny.ie (Postfix, from userid 500) id 09E7E8B1; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:42 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:41 +0100 From: "John P. Looney" <valen@tuatha.org> To: ILUG <ilug@linux.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Message-Id: <20020822163641.GN3670@jinny.ie> Reply-To: ilug@linux.ie Mail-Followup-To: ILUG <ilug@linux.ie> References: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Os: Red Hat Linux 7.3/Linux 2.4.18-3 X-Url: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen X-Gnupg-Publickey: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen/public.asc Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned: > In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail. Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to other unixen like HPUX and SCO. Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract, they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc. If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc, though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore. You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK, who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux, that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time. John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
25	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:45:54 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B1343F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:45:53 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MGjVZ15193 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:45:31 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11100; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:54 +0100 Received: from corvil.com. (k100-159.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.100.159]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11076 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host k100-159.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.100.159] claimed to be corvil.com. Received: from corvil.com (pixelbeat.local.corvil.com [172.18.1.170]) by corvil.com. (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGgjn4090705 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:46 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from padraig.brady@corvil.com) Message-Id: <3D651472.7080101@corvil.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:26 +0100 From: Padraig Brady <padraig.brady@corvil.com> Organization: Corvil Networks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020408 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. References: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> <20020822163641.GN3670@jinny.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie John P. Looney wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned: > >>In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. > > > Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail. > > Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make > solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with > solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to > other unixen like HPUX and SCO. > > Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One > of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your > hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract, > they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software > problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc. > > If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There > is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc, > though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore. > > You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK, > who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux, > that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a > cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time. Why do you say Dell is cheaper than DNUK? It gets a bit complicated though! http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html P�draig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
26	From lejones@ucla.edu Thu Aug 22 18:29:58 2002 Message-Id: <005801c24a00$1e226060$73c04144@leslie> To: <zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com> References: <000001c249ff$50bc96e0$da514ed5@roswell> From: "leslie ellen jones" <lejones@ucla.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:19:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You? Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, it's not easy being green. leslie Leslie Ellen Jones, Ph.D. Jack of All Trades and Doctor of Folklore lejones@ucla.edu "Truth is an odd number" -- Flann O'Brien ----- Original Message ----- From: Dino To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: RE: [zzzzteana] Which Muppet Are You? Damn kermit...boring... Wanna be rizzo he's the coolest Dino Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
27	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:47 2002 Message-Id: <200208221811.g7MIBJdr004189@sionnach.ireland.sun.com> To: ilug@linux.ie From: Albert White - SUN Ireland <albert.white@ireland.sun.com> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:42:33 BST." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208221841070.28604-100000@dunlop.admin.ie.alphyra.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:11:19 +0100 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk wrote: > > Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, > ROFL. not in our experience. Well at least our Caps-Lock keys work: peter@staunton.ie said: > Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock > twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/ > off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable > instead. :-P bauwolf@indigo.ie said: > as if he wanted Solaris 9 for x86, he'd be waiting a bit erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... Cheers, ~Al -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
28	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:20 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D8944160 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MIPTZ19588 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:25:29 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BC22940D4; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (pm7-32.sba1.netlojix.net [207.71.222.128]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7AD294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dave@localhost) by maltesecat (8.8.7/8.8.7a) id LAA21283; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:58 -0700 Message-Id: <200208221811.LAA21283@maltesecat> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: RE: The Curse of India's Socialism In-Reply-To: Message from fork-request@xent.com of "Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:30:03 PDT." <20020821183003.25673.41476.Mailman@lair.xent.com> From: Dave Long <dl@silcom.com> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:57 -0700 > You have multiple generations of > peasants/squatters that cultivate and live on the lands almost as a > human parts of the property package. When I'd read that "getting legal title can take 20 years", when I believe that 1 year ought to be more than sufficient, (and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd assumed that we were talking about the urban poor. If I see people living in mansions, or even in suburban subdivisions, I assume they didn't have too much trouble with their titles. If I see people living in shanties and haphazard alleyways, I tend to assume their parcels weren't exactly recorded on the government maps, or paid for with a bank loan, especially when nearby vacant lots have shotgun wielding men presumably intent on keeping them "development" free. Now, it may be that "Manhattanites' view of America" to say that outside of Metro Manila, Davao, and maybe another city or two (Cebu?), everything else (literally) is the boondocks. But going on that very broad assumption, I guess I'm describing the flip side of Mr. Roger's experience: the paisanos (who leave behind those who remain on a patron's rural land) move to Manila, and (the second assumption) squat in shantytowns there, at least until they can line up a middle-class job. So, going on two large assumptions, I can come up with a scenario under which title would take 20 years: a shantytown arises somewhere in the midst of a section (or whatever the Spanish used to divvy up the land) and it takes decades of arguing to put together a package which somehow can both compensate the owner and record lots for the inhabitants. Just transferring title to an existing lot, between parties who have money, ought not to be a problem. The obvious solution, at least to us barking farting chihuahuas on FoRK, is to "introduce market mechanisms". It is left as an exercise to come up with one which works when many of the agents (are perceived to) have negligible NPV. -Dave > [land reform] meant that all the agricultural producers had > to plant crops all the time (profitable or not) ... What happened to more highly-capitalized land? Putting in trees instead of crops sounds like it might sidestep that. > Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work. On the "to find" list. Any chance of an explanation of that "Bell Jar" in the meantime? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
29	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:42 2002 From: "Peter Staunton" <peter@staunton.ie> Reply-To: peter@staunton.ie To: ilug@linux.ie Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:57:35 GMT Message-Id: <3d65260f.948.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> Subject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2909	From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Aug 28 18:38:58 2002 From: "Jim Whitehead" <ejw@cse.ucsc.edu> To: "FoRK" <FoRK@xent.com> Subject: RE: Gecko adhesion finally sussed. Message-Id: <AMEPKEBLDJJCCDEJHAMICEFKFFAA.ejw@cse.ucsc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200208270124.00426.eh@mad.scientist.com> Importance: Normal Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:04 -0700 From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of > Eirikur Hallgrimsson > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:24 PM > To: FoRK > Subject: Gecko adhesion finally sussed. > > > (Via Robot Wisdom) Maybe you UC folk know these people? > > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-08/lcc-sph082202.php > > Working at Lewis & Clark College, the University of California at > Berkeley, > the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Stanford University, > the interdisciplinary team: > > * confirmed speculation that the gecko's amazing climbing ability > depends on weak molecular attractive forces called van der Waals forces, > > * rejected a competing model based on the adhesion chemistry of water > molecules, and > > * discovered that the gecko's adhesive depends on geometry, not surface > chemistry. In other words, the size and shape of the tips of gecko foot > hairs--not what they are made of--determine the gecko's stickiness. > > To verify its experimental and theoretical results, the gecko group then > used its new data to fabricate prototype synthetic foot-hair tips > from two > different materials. > > "Both artificial setal tips stuck as predicted," notes Autumn, assistant > professor of biology at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, Ore. "Our > initial prototypes open the door to manufacturing the first biologically > inspired dry, adhesive microstructures, which can have widespread > applications."	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2910	From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Aug 28 18:49:16 2002 Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies From: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> To: fork@example.com In-Reply-To: <m23csy539p.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> References: <20020828164409.8826AC44D@argote.ch> <m23csy539p.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030557516.7585.53.camel@avalon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: 28 Aug 2002 10:58:35 -0700 wrote: > > And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will weigh > in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C program. QED. My typical Java-to-C conversion doesn't increase the lines of code by more than 20%, and a fair portion of that is the implementation of additional features that drove us to do the conversion in the first place. Some things are substantially more succinct when written in C than in Java. C and most other mature languages have an endless collection of libraries. I personally don't use anything beyond the core libraries of any language that much though. On a tangent, I find libraries nearly useless for a great many things due primarily to the fact that most of them are so general that a given non-trivial API almost always has a context in which it will function in a pathological manner. Code reuse is wonderful and all that, but libraries frequently make design trade-offs that won't work for me even if they theoretically do exactly what I need. Unfortunately, it isn't particularly easy nor does it make a nice simple API to design a library that really is optimizable to a wide range of design cases. I've built a small collection of flexible psuedo-polymorphic APIs over the years that I tend to use, but it is a pretty ugly solution for code reuse when you get right down to it. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3015	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Sep 6 11:42:43 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1CA16F6E for <jm@localhost>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:40:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:40:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86A2wC30579 for <jm@jmason.org>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:02:58 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47990294295; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 03:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net (isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net [64.243.46.20]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 95CCF294294 for <fork@xent.com>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30958 invoked by uid 501); 6 Sep 2002 10:01:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 10:01:51 -0000 From: CDale <cdale@techmonkeys.net> To: Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> Cc: bitbitch@magnesium.net, "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com>, <fork@xent.com> Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209061122540.30472-100000@hydrogen.leitl.org> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209060454450.13901-100000@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:01:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.6 required=7.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. > > What is silly and antiquated depends a lot on which country you live in. It also depends on what the fad is or what is in style. (: > I don't have statistics on the love half life, but it seems long-term > relationships use something else for glue. > > Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have > resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented, > dysfunctional kids (not enough of them too boot, so to keep our > demographics from completely keeling over we're importing them from places > with mostly silly and antiquated ideas). Actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page (and musical instrumnet, and canvas) What's the problem if we dash a little Mrs. Dash on them? (: Or cayenne. Or ginger. (mm ask me about ginger root play). And let me tell you this: just because a child happens to be single-parented (what a word), does not mean that child is dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home. The govt/media/church has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration, when in fact, there is a coming together of other family members and friends to raise children. It's not decaying -- it's changing. Nothing wrong with change. > At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and > counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing > something wrong. > > Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way. > Maybe y'all should buy m-w some more bandwidth. C -- "I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3016	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Sep 6 11:42:46 2002 From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> To: <fork@example.com> Subject: Pitch Dark Bar Opens for Blind Dates Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209051601200.22237-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:02:55 -0700 (PDT)	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
30	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:26 2002 From: Tom <tomwhore@slack.net> To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org> Cc: Chris Haun <chris@noskillz.com>, <fork@spamassassin.taint.org> Subject: Re: lifegem In-Reply-To: <3D653874.8010204@barrera.org> Message-Id: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0208221524380.28231-100000@crank.slack.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: --]Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in --]the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond. So thats why I keep seeing DeBeers agents hovering around me. -tom(diamonds in the folds of my flesh)wsmf http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
31	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:30 2002 Message-Id: <3D653BBF.3060209@permafrost.net> From: Owen Byrne <owen@permafrost.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org> Cc: Chris Haun <chris@noskillz.com>, fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: lifegem References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208211526350.675-100000@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net> <3D653874.8010204@barrera.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:30:07 -0300 Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Chris Haun wrote: > >> A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the >> carbon of your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful >> life. > > > Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in > the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond. > > - Joe > Oh, hell - what about excrement? I'd love to be able to say - No, the sun doesn't shine out of my ass, but there's the occasional diamond. ;-). Owen http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
32	From timc@2ubh.com Thu Aug 22 13:52:59 2002 Return-Path: <timc@2ubh.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0314547C66 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:59 +0100 (IST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MCrdZ07070 for <zzzz@example.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:39 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52733-1030020820-zzzz=example.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:40 -0000 X-Sender: timc@2ubh.com X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 76099 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rhenium.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from host217-36-23-185.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.23.185]) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17hrT0-0004gj-00 for forteana@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) To: zzzzteana <zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com> X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <E17hrT0-0004gj-00@rhenium.btinternet.com> From: "Tim Chapman" <timc@2ubh.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: tim2ubh MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:38 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] Moscow bomber Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man Threatens Explosion In Moscow Thursday August 22, 2002 1:40 PM MOSCOW (AP) - Security officers on Thursday seized an unidentified man who said he was armed with explosives and threatened to blow up his truck in front of Russia's Federal Security Services headquarters in Moscow, NTV television reported. The officers seized an automatic rifle the man was carrying, then the man got out of the truck and was taken into custody, NTV said. No other details were immediately available. The man had demanded talks with high government officials, the Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies said. Ekho Moskvy radio reported that he wanted to talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Police and security forces rushed to the Security Service building, within blocks of the Kremlin, Red Square and the Bolshoi Ballet, and surrounded the man, who claimed to have one and a half tons of explosives, the news agencies said. Negotiations continued for about one and a half hours outside the building, ITAR-Tass and Interfax reported, citing witnesses. The man later drove away from the building, under police escort, and drove to a street near Moscow's Olympic Penta Hotel, where authorities held further negotiations with him, the Moscow police press service said. The move appeared to be an attempt by security services to get him to a more secure location. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
33	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:51 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7419C4416C for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:33 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MJtgZ22471 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:55:42 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19436; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:53:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.18]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19403 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:52:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 50842 messnum 34651 invoked from network[159.134.205.176/p432.as1.athlone1.eircom.net]); 22 Aug 2002 19:52:16 -0000 Received: from p432.as1.athlone1.eircom.net (HELO darkstar) (159.134.205.176) by mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 50842) with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 19:52:16 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Ciaran Johnston <cj@nologic.org> Organization: nologic.org To: <ilug@linux.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Formatting a windows partition from Linux Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:58:07 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <1029944325.29456.28.camel@dubrhlnx1> <26030.194.237.142.30.1029943301.squirrel@mail.nologic.org> In-Reply-To: <26030.194.237.142.30.1029943301.squirrel@mail.nologic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200208222058.07760.cj@nologic.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lugh.tuatha.org id UAA19403 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie Update on this for anyone that's interested, and because I like closed threads... nothing worse than an infinite while loop, is there? I ended up formatting a floppy on my flatmate's (un-networked) P100 running FAT16 Win95, and mcopied the contents of the bootdisk across. Now I have a FAT16 Win98 install running alongside Slackware, and can play Metal Gear Solid when the mood takes me ;) /Ciaran. On Wednesday 21 August 2002 16:21, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > Dublin said: > > If you copy the files from your disk to the c: partition and mark it as > > active it should work ... > > Yeah, I figured that, but it doesn't seem to ... well, if that's the case > I'll give it another go tonight, maybe come back with some error messages. > > Just to clarify for those who didn't understand me initially - I have a > floppy drive installed, but it doesn't physically work. There's nowhere > handy to pick one up where I am, and I don't fancy waiting a few days for > one to arrive from Peats. > > Thanks for the answers, > Ciaran. > > > You especially need io.sys, command.com and msdos.sys > > > > your cd driver .sys and read the autoexec.bat and config.sys files for > > hints on what you did with your boot floppy <g> > > > > P > > > > On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 14:07, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > >> Hi folks, > >> The situation is this: at home, I have a PC with 2 10Gig HDDs, and no > >> (working) floppy drive. I have been running Linux solely for the last > >> year, but recently got the urge to, among other things, play some of > >> my Windoze games. I normally install the windows partition using a > >> boot floppy which I have conveniently zipped up, but I haven't any way > >> of writing or reading a floppy. > >> So, how do I go about: > >> 1. formatting a C: drive with system files (normally I would use > >> format /s c: from the floppy). > >> 2. Installing the CDROM drivers (my bootdisk (I wrote it many years > >> ago) does this normally). > >> 3. Booting from the partition? > >> > >> I wiped all my linux partitions from the first drive and created > >> partitions for Windows (HDA1) Slackware and RedHat. I used cfdisk for > >> this. I made the first drive (hda) bootable. I then installed the > >> windows partition in LILO and reran lilo (installed in MBR). I copied > >> the contents of boot.zip to my new windows partition and tried to boot > >> it - all I get is a garbled line of squiggles. > >> > >> Anyone any ideas? I can't think of anywhere in Athlone to get a new > >> floppy drive this evening... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Ciaran. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > >> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > >> information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
34	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:35 2002 From: Chris Haun <chris@noskillz.com> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: public mailing list sign up package Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208221606260.675-100000@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Has anyone seen/heard of/used some package that would let a random person go to a webpage, create a mailing list, then administer that list. Also of course let ppl sign up for the lists and manage their subscriptions. Similar to the old listbot.org, but i'd like to have it running on my server not someone elses :) Chris http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
35	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:39 2002 To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> From: harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley) Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:34 +0200 (CEST) An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started telling disparaging anecdotes about the President. Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2922	From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 11:37:49 2002 To: Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> Cc: FoRK <FoRK@xent.com> Subject: Re: Internet saturation (but not in Iceland) In-Reply-To: Message from Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> of "Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:58:03 EDT." <200208290358.03815.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: yyyy@example.com (Justin Mason) Message-Id: <20020829102708.23F6343F99@phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:27:03 +0100 said: > Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the middle of the Atlantic, > mostly in the dark for half the year, wouldn't you like a bit of > internet distraction? They've already done the obvious and fiber-ringed > the island. BTW did they do the same as they did in Ireland, namely: spend millions burying copious miles of dark fibre, then neglect to provide any way of actually hooking it up to any ISPs? ;) --j. (frustrated)	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2923	From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 16:12:04 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B817843F9B for <jm@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:12:03 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TF4pZ17337 for <jm@jmason.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:04:52 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5E92940E8; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from sunserver.permafrost.net (u172n16.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.172.16]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907C8294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.179] (helo=permafrost.net) by sunserver.permafrost.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17kQmZ-0001bn-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:00:27 -0300 Message-Id: <3D6E3883.8090500@permafrost.net> From: Owen Byrne <owen@permafrost.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geege <grlygrl201@aol.com> Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: Rambus, Man References: <200208262039.NAA20810@stories2.idg.net> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------090602010909000705010009" Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:06:43 -0300 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=7.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --------------090602010909000705010009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Geege wrote: >This message was sent to you from http://www.idg.net > >Geege would like you to read the story below: > >http://www.idg.net/gomail.cgi?id=940026 > >Title: >A first look at the 2.8-GHz Pentium 4 > >Summary: >Latest Rambus memory plus fast bus appear to give Intel's newest P4 the jolt it needs. > >Geege attached the following message: >------------------------------------------------------------ >ha ha ha harley. rambus earns it. >------------------------------------------------------------ > >Stay on top of the world of Information Technology with your own >FREE subscription to our specialized newsletters. Subscribe now >at http://www.idg.net/subscribe > > >7132 > > > The overclockers have given it another jolt, perhaps to potential sales (and maybe sales of liquid nitrogen): via slashdot Owen http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/nw2800/index3.phtml P�iv�m��r�: 26.8.2002 Artikkeli: Intel Northwood 2,8GHz Tekij�: Sampsa Kurri <mailto:sampsa.kurri@muropaketti.com> English Summary When the Intel Pentium 4 2,8GHz CPU arrived to our testlab we ordered 10 liters of Liquid Nitrogen (LN2 -196�C) and decided to run some tests in very low temperatures. After some adjusting and testing we were able to run SiSoft Sandra CPU and Memory benchmarks and Pifast benchmark smoothly when the CPU was running at 3917MHz. We raised the FSB one more step and managed to run succesfully SuperPi benchmark while CPU was running at 3998MHz. The result was 39 seconds. Test setup: P4 2,8GHz, Modified Asus P4T533-C, Samsung PC800 RDRAM, PNY GeForce 4 MX440 and Windows XP OS. Check out the pictures. --------------090602010909000705010009--	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2924	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 13:13:38 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8512B47C86 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:46:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8200sZ09145 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:00:54 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A51A2940BB; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mithral.com (watcher.mithral.com [204.153.244.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BF835294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2826 invoked by uid 1111); 1 Sep 2002 23:59:24 -0000 From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> To: Bill Stoddard <bill@wstoddard.com> Cc: "Fork@Xent.Com" <fork@example.com> Subject: RE: Gasp! In-Reply-To: <JHEPKCEMGPKFFDHHDDKDIEKAFDAA.bill@wstoddard.com> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209011641450.2749-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.2 required=7.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: > > > > "Red Hat Linux Advanced Server provides many high end features such as: > > Support for Asynchronous I/O. Now read I/O no longer needs to stall your > > application while waiting for completion." > > Can you provide a reference? I could find it myself but I'm too lazy. Well, i saw it on the Compaq Testdrive site, then had to seriously dig on the redhat site... It's in one of their whitepapers... http://www.redhat.com/pdf/as/as_rasm.pdf > > Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally > > catches up to > > Windows and has I/O that doesnt totally suck for nontrivial apps? No way! > > Do /dev/poll and FreeBSD's KQ event driven APIs count? IMHO, true async > io as implemented by Windows 4.0 and beyond is pretty slick, but the > programming model is substantially more complex than programming to an > event API like /dev/poll. And true async does not buy much if the > system call overhead is low (as it is with Linux). I havent used the FBSD poll, as it's not portable, select and poll(still not 100%) are all that exist in the UNIX world. Redhat of course doesnt count as portable either, but it's nice they are trying. The Windows I/O model does definately blow the doors off the UNIX one, but then they had select to point at in it's suckiness and anything would have been an improvement. UNIX is just now looking at it's I/O model and adapting to a multiprocess multithreaded world so it's gonna be years yet before a posix API comes out of it. Bottom line is the "do stuff when something happens" model turned out to be right, and the UNIX "look for something to do and keep looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look" is not really working so great anymore. - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2925	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 13:15:14 2002 From: bitbitch@magnesium.net Reply-To: bitbitch@magnesium.net Message-Id: <6464589899.20020901193917@magnesium.net> To: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: revocation of grlygrl201@ In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209010758070.1078-100000@watcher.mithral.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209010758070.1078-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:39:17 -0400 Geege: I think its cute when he worries like that, don't you? :) ducks and runs (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to) BB	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2926	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:11 2002 From: "Geege Schuman" <geege4@bellsouth.net> To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org>, "FoRK" <fork@example.com> Subject: RE: revocation of grlygrl201@ Message-Id: <ILEHJNJFPDLMDEKNIAKCEEAHCAAA.geege4@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3D72A81A.1010901@barrera.org> Importance: Normal Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:05:28 -0400 From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Joseph S. Barrera III Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:52 PM To: FoRK Subject: Re: revocation of grlygrl201@ bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true > that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just > dandy. Funny you should mention that, as I just came back from refilling the green coolant in my Navi. > (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to) I guess I don't get any points, do I? No, didn't think so. - Joe P.S. We've just started watching Boogiepop Phantom... -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed.	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2927	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:19 2002 Message-Id: <3D72BA8F.30303@barrera.org> From: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org> Organization: Wings over the World User-Agent: Mutt 5.00.2919.6900 DM (Nigerian Scammer Special Edition) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FoRK <fork@example.com> Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:10:39 -0700 wrote: > problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the > same problems over and over again when there are some many more > important and interesting problems (high level) to be solved ????? Amen! Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man (or less of a kiddie). - Joe -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed.	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2928	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:18 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2955A44155 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:21:56 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g822fqZ16863 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 03:41:52 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448352940EE; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mithral.com (watcher.mithral.com [204.153.244.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A697294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3351 invoked by uid 1111); 2 Sep 2002 02:40:27 -0000 From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> To: <fork@example.com> Subject: Tech's Major Decline Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209011921330.3235-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: "Once we thought of the Internet as this thing with infinite capabilities. It was basically just a fad that came along." Missing from the article is the percentage of foreign enrolement, I would bet the numbers of students from Asia (China specificly) has gone up quite a bit, and is the only thing keeping the overall numbers from plummiting. "you can't get the chicks with that anymore." About time us geeks were outcasts again. I was getting sick of hearing about geeks breeding and ending up with autistic children - proving that intelligence is a genetic defect and a "do not breed" flag.) - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com ----------------- Tech's Major Decline College Students Turning Away From Bits and Bytes By Ellen McCarthy Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, August 27, 2002; Page E01 If John Yandziak had been entering college a few years ago, he might have sought a stake in the "new" economy. He might have dreamed of becoming an ace code-cracker for the CIA or the National Security Agency, or imagined toppling an empire with revolutionary software. Maybe he would have tried to use the Internet to end world hunger. But as Yandziak attends his first college classes this week, he's harboring different academic ambitions. The Ashburn native says he wants to do something more social and more interesting than working with computers. Besides, he said while packing for a Charlottesville dormitory room, "you can't get the chicks with that anymore." The tech industry's financial problems are enough to bankrupt the dreams of some fair-weather students. But now there's another consequence of the tech bust: Enrollment growth in undergraduate computer science departments has come to a halt. The number of undergraduates majoring in computer science fell 1 percent in 2001, according to a report by the Computing Research Association. And educators in the field say the trend seems to be accelerating, with some colleges seeing much greater drops as the new academic year begins. The word is out among department deans that the bust's fallout has trickled into the classroom, said Maria Clavez, president of the Association of Computing Machinery. "I've heard everything from no change to modest decline to more dramatic declines," said Clavez, who will become the dean of science and engineering at Princeton University in January. "It can be hard to see this, because at some colleges the number of people who want to study computer science so far exceeds the available space. [But] it is going to have an effect." At Virginia Tech, enrollment of undergraduates in the computer science department will drop 25 percent this year, to 300. At George Washington University, the number of incoming freshmen who plan to study computer science fell by more than half this year. Interest in undergraduate computer science programs had grown rapidly in the past decade. In 1997, schools with PhD programs in computer science and computer engineering granted 8,063 degrees, according to the Computing Research Association. The numbers rose through 2001, when 17,048 degrees were awarded. The Labor Department projects that software engineering will be the fastest-growing occupation between 2000 and 2010, with other computer-related industries trailing close behind. But in the short term that growth may slow, based on the changes among college students. For example, 900 of the 2,000-plus undergraduates studying information technology and engineering at George Mason University were computer science majors last year. This year the enrollment in that major is down to 800, although a newly created and more general information technology major has attracted 200 students. "Having it ease off for a while is a bit of a relief," said Lloyd Griffith, dean of George Mason's information technology and engineering school. "Particularly with the field as it has been, they don't want to spend four years on something and then not get a job." Freshman enrollment for the University of Maryland's computer science major is expected to be about 167 this fall, down from 329 last year. Maryland decreased its total freshman enrollment by 11 percent, but that alone does not account for the drop, said Steve Halperin, dean of Maryland's College of Computer, Mathematical and Physical Sciences. "We are seeing a decrease in the number of freshmen who are declaring their interest in pursuing computer science as a major," Halperin said. "That's a factual statement. But I would say that at this point . . . we don't expect to see a decrease in the number of graduates. Many of the kids who are no longer expressing an interest in majoring in CS would have fallen off." Yandziak, who began at the University of Virginia on Saturday, is not convinced that's the case. He graduated in the top 5 percent of his class, with a 3.9 grade-point average, and nailed the highest possible score on his advanced-placement exam in computer science. "All of my classes have been easy for me. Math and sciences were always fun, so I looked for professions in which I could use those things," Yandziak said. "I'm just not sure I want my life to be immersed in [technology]. I want to do something that will contribute to the practical world." Harris N. Miller, president of the Information Technology Association of America, said the last time there was a dearth of computing professionals, salaries skyrocketed and workers benefited from the labor shortage. "There was a tremendous imbalance in the late '90s; potentially you have the same sort of thing going on right now. People are saying, 'I don't need this kind of IT training right now,' " Miller said. "Our concern as an industry is that if they begin to again see major declines in enrollment, down the road four years, as the economy picks up, once again companies are going to find themselves in a shortage situation." Economic potential weighs heavily in many student career choices, but other factors, including program difficulty, personal interests and social influences, also come into play, said Judy Hingle, director of professional development at the American College Counseling Association. The perception of computer science as an isolating, "nerdy" profession is one that many in the industry have tried to squelch. That stereotype went underground during the tech bubble but reemerged during the bust. "All the hipness is gone," Yandziak said. "Once we thought of the Internet as this thing with infinite capabilities. It was basically just a fad that came along." Lamont Thompson, a recent graduate of Calvin Coolidge Senior High School in the District, is headed to Morehouse College in Atlanta to study business marketing, with the intention of going into real estate development. "Technology comes natural to people my age; it's not fascinating anymore," Thompson said. "To be honest with you, when I think computer science, I think of some guy sitting behind a computer all day in a dark room. It's a necessity, but I wouldn't take it any further."	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2929	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:28 2002 From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org> Cc: FoRK <fork@example.com> Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies In-Reply-To: <3D72BA8F.30303@barrera.org> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209012101200.3683-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT) wrote: > Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > > problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the > > same problems over and over again when there are some many more > > important and interesting problems (high level) to be solved ????? > > Amen! Like what exactly? All the problems are in chemisty and physics and biology and mathematics. We're just enablers :) > Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man > (or less of a kiddie). Yes, but doing it an order of magnitude or 2 easier does :) Which with the way things are now, is not hard at all to do. - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3061	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:20 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E841C16F1B for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:45:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:45:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g893E4C29655 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 04:14:04 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218112942B8; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from smtp1.superb.net (smtp1.superb.net [207.228.225.14]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 773FB2942B7 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21992 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 03:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maya.dyndns.org) (207.61.5.143) by smtp1.superb.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 03:09:21 -0000 Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1FC381CC98; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:09:17 -0400 (EDT) To: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker) Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa} References: <20020908232416.51F943F4E8@panacea.canonical.org> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m2bs77uaea.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 08 Sep 2002 23:09:17 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.0 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: >>>>> "K" == Kragen Sitaker <kragen@pobox.com> writes: K> Planning battle tactics; for this reason, the intelligence K> press reports, spy satellites have had 1-meter resolution for K> many years. The military already have these spy satellites; they are basically Hubble pointed the other way, so I doubt they will be a big enough customer of this service to justify a next-generation wireless network rollout for the rest of us. K> Finding an individual vehicle in a city might occasionally be K> possible with 1-m images and might occasionally also be worth K> the money. My car is only just over 1.5 meters across and maybe 3 meters long, so that means roughly six pixels total surface area. You might find a 16-wheeler this way, but how often do people misplace a 16-wheeler such that it is _that_ important to get old images of the terrain? Since they can't send up aircraft to update images in realtime every time, how is this different from just releasing the map on DVDs? Why wireless? I thought of the common problem of lost prize cattle, but there again, will there really be business-case for creating a hi-res map of wyoming on the fly instead of just doing what they do now and hiring a helicopter for a few hours? K> For small areas you have legitimate access to, it's probably K> cheaper to go there with a digital camera and a GPS and take K> some snapshots from ground level. Aerial photos might be K> cheaper for large areas, areas where you're not allowed --- or, K> perhaps, physically able --- to go, and cases where you don't K> have time to send a ground guy around the whole area. I can see lower-res being useful for Geologists, but considering their points of interest change only a few times every few million years, there's not much need to be wireless based on up-to-the-minute data. I expect most geologists travel with a laptop perfectly capable of DVD playback, and I also expect the most interesting geology is in regions where the wireless ain't going to go ;) I don't mean to nit-pick, it's just that I'm curious as to (a) the need for this product that justifies the extreme cost and (b) how we'd justify the ubiquitous next-generation wireless network that this product postulates when we /still/ can't find the killer app for 3G. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3062	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:21 2002 To: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: whoa References: <B9A13131.D7F8%jamesr@best.com> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m28z2bua8a.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: 08 Sep 2002 23:12:53 -0400 writes: J> ... They aren't selling the software, which is pretty pricy as J> it happens. They are using it to optimize next generation J> wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a J> large scale. There are an essentially infinite number of metro J> wireless configurations, some of which generate far more dead J> or marginal spots and others which are very expensive to J> operate (due to backhaul transit considerations) or both. This J> software can be used as a tool to optimize the canopy coverage J> and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless is J> tied into fiber at multiple points. So you only need to map a handful of metropolitan areas? J> Or at least investors find this capability very sexy and J> compelling Ah ... now /that/ I will believe :) Don't mind me; I'm just getting even more cynical in my old age. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3063	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:24 2002 From: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> Subject: Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa} In-Reply-To: <m2bs77uaea.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> To: fork@example.com Message-Id: <B9A164ED.D809%jamesr@best.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:34:54 -0700 wrote: > My car is only just over 1.5 meters across and maybe 3 meters long, so > that means roughly six pixels total surface area. You might find a > 16-wheeler this way, but how often do people misplace a 16-wheeler > such that it is _that_ important to get old images of the terrain? > Since they can't send up aircraft to update images in realtime every > time, how is this different from just releasing the map on DVDs? Why > wireless? It seems that several people are missing the point that this is NOT an image database. It is high-resolution topological data rendered in three dimensions. Images are overlayed on the topological data to help people navigate familiar terrain visually. In other words, it is not intended as a wannabe spy satellite. Rather it is a very accurate three dimensional model of the earth's surface. When a particular region in question is covered in a city, the buildings in the city are mapped as though they are part of the earth's surface. The part that makes the app killer is that you can map all sorts of data layers on top of their core topological data. Got it? -James Rogers jamesr@best.com	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
36	From hauns_froehlingsdorf@infinetivity.com Fri Aug 23 11:05:35 2002 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:07:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200208222107.g7ML75ue008106@mail.infinetivity.com> To: "Justin Mason" <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org> From: hauns_froehlingsdorf@infinetivity.com Subject: Re: hauns_froehlingsdorf@infinetivity.com This is an automated response to a message you have sent to hauns_froehlingsdorf@infinetivity.com. I will be out of the office until Monday, August 26 2002. I will reply to your email when I return. Hauns ___________________________________ Hauns Froehlingsdorf Network/Systems Manager infinetivity, inc. 952-225.4200 http://www.infinetivity.com	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
37	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:52 2002 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:25:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Mark Twomey <bauwolf@indigo.ie> To: ilug@linux.ie Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <A49FCAEE-B615-11D6-9F96-000393679BE4@indigo.ie> Subject: [ILUG] Re: Sun Solaris Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk wrote: >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard. (I was joking Al) M. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
38	From neugens@libero.it Fri Aug 23 11:06:09 2002 Mailing-List: contact secprog-help@securityfocus.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mario Torre <neugens@libero.it> To: secprog@securityfocus.com Subject: Re: Encryption approach to secure web applications Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:49:00 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <200208222015.15926.neugens@libero.it> <00da01c24a15$561376c0$0201a8c0@home1> In-Reply-To: <00da01c24a15$561376c0$0201a8c0@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200208222349.00463.neugens@libero.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
39	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:57 2002 Message-Id: <004b01c24a27$149934c0$f264a8c0@sabeo.ie> From: "Matthew French" <mfrench42@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ilug@linux.ie> References: <A49FCAEE-B615-11D6-9F96-000393679BE4@indigo.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Re: Sun Solaris Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk joked: > >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... > > It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard. > (I was joking Al) And will run Solaris 9 when Sun catch up with the x86 drivers and kernel. Although don't hold your breath for the free DVD. It will never come. (Spot the person who applied for the free Solaris 9 DVD, only to be told three months later it is no longer available.<mutter>) FWIW Solaris and Linux seem to be getting closer all the time. I can no longer see any specific reason why one is better than the other. Expect Red Hat Solaris 11 any time now... <grin> - Matthew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
40	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:44 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FE344172 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MM5UZ26911 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:05:31 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055142940C8; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from samosa.chappati.org (ar1-nat-sp.collab.net [63.251.56.5]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED1C294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by samosa.chappati.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4F08E126E69; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Manoj Kasichainula <manojk+fork@io.com> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <20020822220402.GA504@samosa.chappati.org> Mail-Followup-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org References: <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:04:02 -0700 On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 10:58:34PM +0200, Robert Harley wrote: > An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." Origins: Yet another French fried "George W. Bush is dumb" story has been taken up by those who like their caricatures drawn in stark, bold lines. According to scuttlebutt that emerged in the British press in July 2002, President Bush, Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair, and France's President Jacques Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of the French economy. "The problem with the French," Bush afterwards confided in Blair, "is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." The source was Shirley Williams, also known as the Baroness Williams of Crosby, who claimed "my good friend Tony Blair" had recently regaled her with this anecdote in Brighton. Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it," Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must have been a joke." This is far from the first time Bush has been made the butt of a jibe meant to showcase what some perceive as his less than stellar intellectual abilities. Without straining our memories too hard, we can come up with three other instances we've chronicled on this site. In the summer of 2001, the joke of the moment centered upon a supposed study that had resulted in the ranking of Presidential IQs, with George W. Bush being pegged as the Chief Executive who scraped the bottom of the intelligence barrel. In December 2000 it was a fake Nostradamus quatrain which pontificated that the "village idiot" would win the 2000 Presidential election. And in the spring of 2002, it was the story of Bush's waving at Stevie Wonder that set folks to chortling up their sleeves. Stories that illustrate this widely believed intellectual shortcoming will always waft after George W. Bush because they seemingly confirm what many already hold as true about this public figure, that he's not the brightest fellow that's ever been. It is human nature to revel in yarns that the hearer at some level agrees with, thus tales of this sort will always fall upon appreciative ears. Barbara "ears of corn" Mikkelson Last updated: 29 July 2002 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
41	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:57 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CBB4416E for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MM12Z26648 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:01:02 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24933; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:59:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from redpie.com (redpie.com [216.122.135.208] (may be forged)) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24894 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:59:17 +0100 Received: from justin ([194.46.28.223]) by redpie.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03470 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kiall Mac Innes" <kialllists@redpie.com> To: "ILUG" <ilug@linux.ie> Subject: RE: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:06:27 +0100 Message-Id: <BCEFLMCEIJHPCPLGADJICEEICAAA.kialllists@redpie.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3d65260f.948.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie hehe sorry but if you hit caps lock twice the computer crashes? theres one ive never heard before... have you tryed Dell support yet? I think dell computers prefer RedHat... (dell provide some computers pre-loaded with red hat) i dont know for sure tho! so get someone elses opnion as well as mine... -----Original Message----- From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of Peter Staunton Sent: 22 August 2002 19:58 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Folks, my first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux. Just got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard disk for Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which went fine except it didn't pick up my monitor. I have a Dell branded E151FPp 15" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia GeForce4 Ti4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's default set. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM. Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next? Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead. If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful - I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas. Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat? Opinions welcome. Thanks a lot, Peter -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
42	From iiu-admin@taint.org Fri Aug 23 11:06:32 2002 Return-Path: <iiu-admin@taint.org> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1494416F for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:04:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from dogma.slashnull.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MNM9Z29719; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:22:09 +0100 Received: from mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.16]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MNJfZ29657 for <iiu@taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:19:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 44295 messnum 519748 invoked from network[159.134.100.45/k100-45.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net]); 22 Aug 2002 23:19:43 -0000 Received: from k100-45.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net (HELO ted.nua.ie) (159.134.100.45) by mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 44295) with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 23:19:43 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020823001344.0302c548@dogma.slashnull.org> X-Sender: antoinmail@dogma.slashnull.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: iiu@taint.org, iiu@taint.org From: Antoin O Lachtnain <antoin@eire.com> Subject: Re: [IIU] Eircom aDSL Nat'ing In-Reply-To: <1030032645.73395.1.camel@flapjack.netability.ie> References: <3D650A2D.1000301@dcu.ie> <3D650A2D.1000301@dcu.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: iiu-admin@taint.org Errors-To: iiu-admin@taint.org X-Beenthere: iiu@iiu.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: iiu@taint.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu>, <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: Irish Internet Users <iiu.iiu.taint.org> List-Post: <mailto:iiu@iiu.taint.org> List-Help: <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu>, <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=subscribe> List-Archive: <http://iiu.taint.org/pipermail/iiu/> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:17:46 +0100 At 17:10 22/08/2002 +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but), > > but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed? > >No - you get unfiltered access with a real (but dynamic) IP address. > > > and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are > > difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed > > network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs) > >You will probably suffer from the high latency of DLS lines. Typically, >you're talking about 50ms RTT to the local bas, which is pretty high. >If your voip application can handle this, then you're ok. > >Nick what's the deal with all this latency? it's not like that in other places where I've used dsl. i read some story about it being done that way to allow greater distances to be covered or something like that. however, my knowledge of physics is really only newtonian, and I don't understand how worsening latency could possibly improve the reliability of a 2000 foot long piece of copper. Perhaps it has something to do with stretching the time-space continuum? can someone explain this in words of five syllables or less? a. >_______________________________________________ >IIU mailing list >IIU@iiu.taint.org >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu -- Antoin O Lachtnain antoin@eire.com http://www.eire.com ** +353-87-240-6691 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
43	From irregulars-admin@tb.tf Thu Aug 22 14:23:39 2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <p04330137b98a941c58a8@[209.202.248.109]> To: undisclosed-recipient: ; From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [IRR] Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Sender: irregulars-admin@tb.tf Errors-To: irregulars-admin@tb.tf Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:25 -0400 Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Already the most prolific virus ever, Klez continues to wreak havoc. Andrew Brandt >>From the September 2002 issue of PC World magazine Posted Thursday, August 01, 2002 The Klez worm is approaching its seventh month of wriggling across the Web, making it one of the most persistent viruses ever. And experts warn that it may be a harbinger of new viruses that use a combination of pernicious approaches to go from PC to PC. Antivirus software makers Symantec and McAfee both report more than 2000 new infections daily, with no sign of letup at press time. The British security firm MessageLabs estimates that 1 in every 300 e-mail messages holds a variation of the Klez virus, and says that Klez has already surpassed last summer's SirCam as the most prolific virus ever. And some newer Klez variants aren't merely nuisances--they can carry other viruses in them that corrupt your data. ... http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,103259,00.asp _______________________________________________ Irregulars mailing list Irregulars@tb.tf http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
44	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:50 2002 To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <20020823005705.D63AEC44E@argote.ch> From: harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley) Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:57:05 +0200 (CEST) Manoj Kasichainula wrote; >http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm > >Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with >the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." > >Status: False. >Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness >Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did >receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of >communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime >minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly >never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it," >Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must >have been a joke." So some guy failed to reach the source, but instead got spin doctor to deny it. Wot, is he thick enough to expect official confirmation that, yes, Blair is going around casting aspersions on Bush??? It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion "Status: False". R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
2986	From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Sep 5 11:31:13 2002 From: bitbitch@magnesium.net Reply-To: bitbitch@magnesium.net Message-Id: <143118772134.20020904230741@magnesium.net> To: Sherry Listgarten <sherry@timesten.com> Cc: "'fork@example.com'" <fork@example.com> Subject: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies In-Reply-To: <80CE2C46294CD61198BA00508BADCA830FD384@mis-exchange.mv.timesten.com> References: <80CE2C46294CD61198BA00508BADCA830FD384@mis-exchange.mv.timesten.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:07:41 -0400	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3064	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:25 2002 From: CDale <cdale@techmonkeys.net> To: Tom <tomwhore@slack.net> Cc: Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org>, Gordon Mohr <gojomo@usa.net>, <fork@xent.com> Subject: Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0209082308280.29141-100000@crank.slack.net> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209082255100.8855-100000@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:56:09 -0500 (CDT) wrote: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > --]doesn't look particularly difficult to do. > --] > --]Clearly this is not something what hets do, prostitution not taken into > --]account. > > So lets see, hets dont go to swing clubs, meat markets or the like at all? > Hmm. And being gay means hanging in the bath house being a cum dumpster > while you listen to the Devine Ms M belt one out for the boys? > > Ugh, with thinking like this who needs the bible belt? > > > > -- "I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3065	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:28 2002 Message-Id: <02f701c257be$6f1d9e50$640a000a@golden> From: "Gordon Mohr" <gojomo@usa.net> To: <fork@example.com> References: <B9A05063.D7DA%jamesr@best.com> <m2y9act9d2.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Subject: earthviewer apps Re: whoa MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:04:51 -0700 cynicizes: > Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses > whatsoever ;) Tourism is the world's largest industry. Using this to preview your travels, or figure out where you are, would be very valuable. Online gaming continues to grow. Screw "Britannia", real-life Britain would be a fun world to wander/ conquer/explore virtually, in role-playing or real- time-strategy games. And of course, as James Rogers points out, it's an ideal display substrate for all sorts of other overlaid data. Maps are great, photrealistic 3-D maps of everywhere which can have many other static and dynamic datasets overlaid are spectacular. (Combining those last two thoughts: consider the static world map, in faded colors, with patches here-and-there covered by live webcams, stitched over the static info in bright colors... it'd be like the "fog of war" view in games like Warcraft, over the real world.) - Gordon	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3066	From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:27 2002 To: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa} References: <B9A164ED.D809%jamesr@best.com> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m2u1kzsrmp.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: 09 Sep 2002 00:39:58 -0400 writes: J> ... The part that makes the app killer is that you can map all J> sorts of data layers on top of their core topological data. J> Got it? Ah, ok ... so some sample applications come to mind, although none of them require wireless and would do with a DVD, but nonetheless ... - Forestry: Maps of the terrain are essential in predicting the spread of forest fires, esp if this is overlaid with the type of vegetation, recent waterfall &c - farming/conservation can use the high-resolution terrain to overlay water tables or watershed info. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rohit Khare <khare@alumni.caltech.edu> Cc: Fork@xent.com Subject: Re: Lord of the Ringtones: Arbocks vs. Seelecks References: <F80BF485-DB2E-11D6-B1B1-000393A46DEA@alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originalarrivaltime: 10 Oct 2002 01:50:05.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B4AFD60:01C26FFF] Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:49:59 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,T_NONSENSE_FROM_00_10, T_NONSENSE_FROM_10_20,T_NONSENSE_FROM_20_30, T_NONSENSE_FROM_30_40,T_NONSENSE_FROM_40_50, T_NONSENSE_FROM_50_60,T_NONSENSE_FROM_60_70, T_NONSENSE_FROM_70_80,T_NONSENSE_FROM_80_90, T_NONSENSE_FROM_90_91,T_NONSENSE_FROM_91_92, T_NONSENSE_FROM_92_93,T_NONSENSE_FROM_93_94, T_NONSENSE_FROM_94_95,T_NONSENSE_FROM_95_96, T_NONSENSE_FROM_96_97,T_NONSENSE_FROM_97_98, T_NONSENSE_FROM_98_99,T_NONSENSE_FROM_99_100, T_QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: I got to see Powell talk in March 2001 at the beginning of his reign at the FCC. He said they were going to take a real hands off approach, so it's funny that they would blame the regulators for causing the collapse. One thing he did get right, is that he wasn't worried that the US was behind Europe in the wireless licensing spectrum. This is something very prescient in that most of those licensors have had to eat their lunch over the huge licensing costs they paid for very little benefit. His legacy was/is supposed to be rethinking the FCC's role to stay out of the way in this period of business innovation in the wireless space as he didn't want the government forcing business models onto the private sector. His full transcript is here [1]. Interestingly enough I got to see his speech in person as he was part of the whole CTIA'2001 Las Vegas keynote series of speakers. Clay and I hoped a flight out of Ontario to Las Vegas to do demo support for Craig Barrett [2]. His message was that there's no difference between wired and wireless Internet--it's all the same thing. Instead of scalable networks, we should be thinking about scalable content (& using Magi he showed sending a blue man tv commercial from a desktop to a laptop to an ipaq to a color smartphone with the content scaling back for each target platform). The best part of the whole trip wasn't hobnobbing at all, but really the fact that the Venetian had ran out of rooms. They decided to put us up in one of their $10,000/night high roller rooms. They put Clay in one and me in another. The Venetian is known for having the largest hotel rooms anywhere, but these ones were bigger than my whole house. 8-) Greg [1] http://www.fcc.gov/Speeches/Powell/2001/spmkp101.html [2] http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/speeches/cb20010320.htm Rohit Khare wrote: > I can't believe I actually read a laugh-out-loud funny profile of the > FCC Commissioner fer crissakes! So the following article comes > recommended, a fine explanation of Michael Powell's extraordinary > equivocation. > > On the other hand, I can also agree with Werbach's Werblog entry... Rohit > >> A Trip to F.C.C. World >> >> Nicholas Lemann has a piece in the New Yorker this week about FCC >> Chairman Michael Powell. It's one of the first articles I've seen >> that captures some of Powell's real personality, and the way he's >> viewed in Washington. Unfortunately, Lemann ends by endorsing >> conventional political wisdom. After describing how Powell isn't >> really a fire-breathing ideological conservative, he concludes that, >> in essence, Powell favors the inumbent local Bell telephone companies, >> while a Democratic FCC would favor new entrants. I know that's not >> how Powell sees the world, and though I disagree with him on many >> issues, I think he's right to resist the old dichotomy. >> >> The telecom collapse should be a humbling experience for anyone who >> went through it. The disaster wasn't the regulators' fault, as some >> conservatives argue. But something clearly went horribly wrong, and >> policy-makers should learn from that experience. Contrary to Lemann's >> speculation, the upstart carriers won't be successful in a Gore >> administration, because it's too late. Virtually all of them are >> dead, and Wall Street has turned off the capital tap for the >> foreseeable future. Some may survive, but as small players rather >> than world-dominators. >> >> The battle between CLECs and RBOCs that Lemann so astutely parodies is >> old news. The next important battle in telecom will be between those >> who want to stay within the traditional boxes, and those who use >> different models entirely. That's why open broadband networks and >> open spectrum are so important. Whatever the regulatory environment, >> there is going to be consolidation in telecom. Those left out in that >> consolidation will face increasing pressure to create new pipes into >> the home, or slowly die. The victors in the consolidation game will >> cut back on innovation and raise prices, which will create further >> pressure for alternatives. >> >> Lemann is right that policy-making looks much drier and more ambiguous >> on the ground than through the lens of history. But he's wrong in >> thinking that telecom's future will be something like its past. >> >> Friday, October 04, 2002 >> 11:17:11 AM comments {0} > > > ============================================================== > http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/021007fa_fact > > THE CHAIRMAN > by NICHOLAS LEMANN > He's the other Powell, and no one is sure what he's up to. > New Yorker, October 8, 2002 > > Last year, my middle son, in eighth grade and encountering his first > fairly serious American-history course, indignantly reported that the > whole subject was incomprehensible. I was shocked. What about Gettysburg > and the Declaration of Independence and the Selma-to-Montgomery march? > Just look at my textbook, he said, and when I did I saw his point. His > class had got up to the eighteen-forties. What I expected was a big > beefing up of the roles of Sacagawea and Crispus Attucks, and, in-deed, > there was some of that. But the main difference between my son's text > and that of my own childhood was that somebody had made the disastrous > decision to devote most of it to what had actually happened in American > history. There were pages and pages on tariffs and bank charters and > reciprocal trade agreements. I skipped ahead, past the Civil War, hoping > for easier going, only to encounter currency floats and the regulation > of freight rates. Only a few decades into the twentieth century did it > become possible to see the federal government's main function as > responding to dramatic crises and launching crusades for social justice, > instead of attempting to referee competing claims from economic interests. > > Even now, if one were to reveal what really goes on behind the pretty > speeches and the sanctimonious hearings in Washington, what you'd find > is thousands of lawyers and lobbyists madly vying for advantage, not so > much over the public as over each other: agribusiness versus real > estate, banks versus insurance companies, and so on. The arena in which > this competition mainly takes place is regulatory agencies and > commissions and the congressional committees that supervise them. It's > an insider's game, less because the players are secretive than because > the public and the press�encouraged by the players, who speak in jargon� > can't get themselves interested. > > One corner of Washington might be called F.C.C. World, for the Federal > Communications Commission. F.C.C. World has perhaps five thousand > denizens. They work at the commission itself, at the House and Senate > commerce committees, and at the Washington offices of the companies that > the commission regulates. They read Communications Daily (subscription > price: $3,695 a year), and every year around Christmastime they > grumblingly attend the Chairman's Dinner, at a Washington hotel, where > the high point of the evening is a scripted, supposedly self-deprecating > comedy routine by the commission's chairman. > > Of all the federal agencies and commissions, the F.C.C. is the one that > Americans ought to be most interested in; after all, it is involved with > a business sector that accounts for about fifteen per cent of the > American economy, as well as important aspects of daily life�telephone > and television and radio and newspapers and the Internet. And right now > F.C.C. World is in, if not a crisis, at least a very soapy lather, > because a good portion of what the angry public thinks of as the > "corporate scandals" concerns the economic collapse of companies > regulated by the F.C.C. Qwest, WorldCom, Adelphia, and Global Crossing, > among others, are (or were) part of F.C.C. World. AOL Time Warner is > part of F.C.C. World. Jack Grubman, the former Salomon Smith Barney > analyst who seems to have succeeded Kenneth Lay, of Enron, as the > embodiment of the corporate scandals, is part of F.C.C. World. In the > past two years, companies belonging to F.C.C. World have lost trillions > of dollars in stock-market valuation, and have collectively served as a > dead weight pulling down the entire stock market. > > This year, an alarmed and acerbic anonymous memorandum about the state > of the F.C.C. has been circulating widely within F.C.C. World. It evokes > F.C.C. World's feverish mood ("The F.C.C. is fiddling while Rome burns") > and suggests why nobody besides residents of F.C.C. World has thought of > the commission in connection with the corporate scandals. The sentence I > just quoted is followed by this explanation: "The ILECs appear likely to > enter all l.d. markets within twelve months, while losing virtually no > residential customers to attackers since 1996, and suffering about 10% > market share loss in business lines to CLECs." It's a lot easier to > think about evil C.E.O.s than to decipher that. > > > Even in good times, F.C.C. World pays obsessive attention to the > commission's chairman. In bad times, the attention becomes especially > intense; and when the chairman is a celebrity F.C.C. World devotes > itself to full-time chairman-watching. The current chairman, Michael > Powell, is a celebrity, at least by government-official standards, > because he is the only son of Colin Powell, the Secretary of State. > Unlike his father, he has a kind of mesmerizing ambiguity, which > generates enormous, and at times apoplectically toned, speculation about > who he really is and what he's really up to. Powell is young to be the > head of a federal agency�he is thirty-nine�and genially charming. > Everybody likes him. Before becoming chairman, he was for three years > one of the F.C.C.'s five commissioners; not only is he fluent in the > F.C.C.'s incomprehensible patois, he has a Clintonesque love of the > arcane details of communications policy. He's always saying that he's an > "avid moderate." And yet he has a rage-inciting quality. One of his > predecessors as chairman, Reed Hundt, quoted in Forbes, compared Powell > to Herbert Hoover. Mark Cooper, of the Consumer Federation of America, > calls him "radical and extreme." Just as often as he's accused of being > a right-wing ideologue, Powell gets accused of being paralytically > cautious. "It ain't about singing 'Kum-Ba-Yah' around the campfire," > another former chairman, William Kennard, says. "You have to have an > answer." One day last spring, Powell, testifying before a Senate > subcommittee, delivered an anodyne opening statement, and the > subcommittee's chairman, Ernest Hollings, of South Carolina, berated > him. "You don't care about these regulations," Hollings said. "You don't > care about the law or what Congress sets down. . . . That's the > fundamental. That's the misgiving I have of your administration over > there. It just is amazing to me. You just pell-mell down the road and > seem to not care at all. I think you'd be a wonderful executive > vice-president of a chamber of commerce, but not a chairman of a > regulatory commission at the government level. Are you happy in your job?" > > "Extremely," Powell said, with an amiable smile. > > > One cannot understand Powell's maddening effect, at least on Democrats > and liberal activists, without understanding not just the stated purpose > of the commission he chairs but also its real purpose. The F.C.C. was > created by Congress in 1934, but it existed in prototype well before the > New Deal, because it performs a function that is one of the classic easy > cases for government intervention in the private economy: making sure > that broadcasters stick to their assigned spots on the airwaves. Its > other original function was preventing American Telephone & Telegraph, > the national monopoly phone company, from treating its customers > unfairly. Over the decades, as F.C.C. World grew up into a comfortable, > well-established place, the F.C.C. segued into the role of industrial > supervision�its real purpose. It was supposed to manage the competition > among communications companies so that it didn't become too bloody, by > artfully deciding who would be allowed to enter what line of business. > In addition to looking out for the public's interest, the commission > more specifically protected the interests of members of Congress, many > of whom regard the media companies in their districts as the single most > terrifying category of interest group�you can cross the local bank > president and live to tell the tale, but not the local broadcaster. > According to an oft-told F.C.C. World anecdote, President Clinton once > blocked an attempt to allow television stations to buy daily newspapers > in the same city because, he said, if the so-and-so who owned the > anti-Clinton Little Rock Democrat-Gazette had owned the leading TV > station in Little Rock, too, Clinton would never have become President. > > > F.C.C. World may have been con tentious, but it was settled, too, > because all the reasonably powerful players had created secure economic > niches for themselves. Then, in the nineteen-eighties, the successful > breakup of A.T. & T.�by far the biggest and most important company the > commission regulated�deposited a thick additional sediment of > self-confidence onto the consciousness of F.C.C. World. A generation > ago, for most Americans, there was one local phone company, one > long-distance company, and one company that manufactured telephones, > which customers were not permitted to own�and they were all the same > company. It was illegal to plug any device into a phone line. By the > mid-nineteen-nineties, there were a dozen economically viable local > phone companies, a handful of national long-distance companies competing > to offer customers the lowest price and best service, and stores > everywhere selling telephone equipment from many manufacturers�and > millions of Americans had a fax machine and a modem operating over the > telephone lines. A.T. & T. had argued for years that it was a "natural > monopoly," requiring protection from economic competition and total > control over its lines. So much for that argument. Over the same period, > the F.C.C. had assisted in the birth of cable television and cell phones > and the Internet. It was the dream of federal-agency success come true: > consumers vastly better served, and the industry much bigger and more > prosperous, too. > > The next big step was supposed to be the Telecommunications Act of 1996, > one of those massive, endlessly lobbied-over pieces of legislation which > most people outside F.C.C. World probably felt it was safe to ignore. > Although the Telecom Act sailed under the rhetorical banner of > modernization and deregulation, its essence was a grand interest-group > bargain, in which the local phone companies, known to headline writers > as "baby Bells" and to F.C.C. World as "arbocks" (the pronounced version > of RBOCs, or regional Bell operating companies), would be permitted to > offer long-distance service in exchange for letting the long-distance > companies and smaller new phone companies use their lines to compete for > customers. Consumers would win, because for the first time they would > get the benefits of competition in local service while getting even more > competition than they already had in long distance. But the politics and > economics of the Telecom Act (which was shepherded through Congress by > Vice-President Gore) were just as important. Democrats saw the act as > helping to reposition them as the technology party�the party that > brought the Internet into every home, created hundreds of thousands of > jobs in new companies, and, not least, set off an investment boom whose > beneficiaries might become the party's new contributor base. Clinton's > slogans about the "information superhighway" and "building a bridge to > the twenty-first century," which, like all Clinton slogans, artfully > sent different messages to different constituencies, were the rhetorical > correlates of the Telecom Act, and Gore's cruise to the Presidency was > supposed to be powered substantially by the act's success. > > The F.C.C. had a crucial role in all this. The arbocks are rich, > aggressive, politically powerful, and generally Republican (though like > all important interest groups they work with both parties); they > immediately filed lawsuits, which wound up tying the hands of their new > competitors in the local phone market for more than three years. Through > rule-making, enforcement, and litigation, the F.C.C., then headed by > Reed Hundt, who was Gore's classmate at St. Albans, was supposed to keep > the arbocks in their cages, so that not only long-distance companies > like A.T. & T. and MCI WorldCom but also a whole category of new > companies, "see-lecks" (the pronounced version of CLECs, or competitive > local exchange carriers), could emerge. This entailed the regulatory > equivalent of hand-to-hand combat: the see-leck is supposed to have > access to the arbock's switching equipment, the arbock won't give the > seeleck a key to the room where it's kept, so the see-leck asks the > F.C.C. to rule that the arbock has to give it the key. > > Partly because Hundt assured the see-lecks and other new companies that > he would protect them, and partly because of the generally booming > condition of the economy then, investment capital flooded into the > see-lecks�companies with names like Winstar, Covad, and Teligent�and > into other telecommunications companies. Even not obviously related > technology companies like Cisco Systems benefitted from the telecom > boom: demand for their products was supposed to come from the see-lecks > and other new players. There would be no conflict between the interests > of the new telecom companies and those of consumers; as one of Hundt's > former lieutenants told me, "Reed used to joke that my job was to make > sure that all prices went down and all stocks went up." > > > The years following the passage of the Telecom Act were the peak of the > boom. Wall Street had its blood up, and that meant not just more > startups but also more mergers of existing communications companies: > Time Warner and AOL decided to throw in together, and A.T. & T. and > Comcast, and so on. (Surely, WorldCom and the other telecom bad guys > believed that their self-dealing, stock-overselling, and creative > accounting would go unnoticed because the market was so undiscriminating.) > > By the time the outcome of the 2000 Presidential election had been > determined, the telecom crash was well under way. Nonetheless, the > chairmanship of the F.C.C. remained one of the best jobs, in terms of > influence and visibility, available to a career government regulator. > Three Republicans emerged as candidates: Powell, who was a commissioner; > Harold Furchtgott-Roth, the farthest-to-the-right commissioner; and > Patrick Wood, the head of the Texas Public Utility Commission and, as > such, a George W. Bush guy. In Texas, however, Wood had crossed the most > powerful person in the arbock camp, Edward Whitacre, the C.E.O. of > S.B.C. Communications, which is headquartered in San Antonio. This meant > that the arbocks didn't want Wood as head of the F.C.C., because he > might be too pro-see-leck. (Wood is now the head of the Federal Energy > Regulatory Commission.) Michael Powell had to signal the arbocks that he > wasn't as threatening as Wood, while also signalling the conservative > movement that he was only negligibly farther to the left than > Furchtgott-Roth. > > Powell did this deftly. For example, in December of 2000 he appeared > before a conservative group called the Progress & Freedom Foundation and > gave a very Michael Powell speech�whimsical, intellectual, and > free-associative (Biblical history, Joseph Schumpeter, Moore's Law)�that > began by making fun of the idea that the F.C.C. should try to keep new > telecom companies alive. "In the wake of the 1996 Act, the F.C.C. is > often cast as the Grinch who stole Christmas," Powell said. "Like the > Whos, down in Who-ville, who feast on Who-pudding and rare Who-roast > beast, the communications industry was preparing to feast on the > deregulatory fruits it believed would inevitably sprout from the Act's > fertile soil. But this feast the F.C.C. Grinch did not like in the > least, so it is thought." Thus Powell was indicating that if he became > chairman he didn't expect to administer first aid to the see-lecks as > part of the job. He was appointed to the chairmanship on the first day > of the Bush Administration. > > Twenty months into the Administration, nearly all the see-lecks are dead > or dying; nearly all long-distance companies, not just WorldCom, are in > serious trouble; cable companies have lost half their value; satellite > companies are staggering. The crash has had an automatically > concentrating effect, because as new companies die the existing > companies' market share increases, and, if the existing companies are in > good shape financially, they have the opportunity to pick up damaged > companies at bargain prices. During the Bush Administration, as the > financial carnage in communications has worsened, the communications > industry has moved in the direction of more concentration. If the Bells > wind up protecting their regional monopolies in local phone service, and > if they also merge, the country will be on its way to having a national > duopoly in local service: Verizon, in the East, and S.B.C., in the West. > And these companies could dominate long distance as well, because of the > poor health of the long-distance companies. > > The cable business also seems close to having two dominant national > companies, AOL Time Warner and Comcast. Unlike the phone companies, they > don't have to share their wiring with other companies and so can more > fully control what material they allow to enter people's homes. As part > of the complicated bargaining with interest groups that led to the 1996 > Telecom Act, the limits on concentration in the radio industry were > significantly loosened, and in the past six years the number of > radio-station owners in the United States has been cut by twenty-five > per cent; today, a large portion of local and national radio news > programming is supplied by a single company, Westwood One, a subsidiary > of Viacom. > > In this situation, many Democrats and liberals think, the F.C.C. should > be hyperactive�the superhero of government regulation, springing to the > rescue of both consumers and the communications industry. It should try > to breathe life into the see-lecks and other new companies. It should > disallow mergers, maintain ownership limits, and otherwise restrain the > forces of concentration. It should use the government's money and muscle > to get new technology�especially fast Internet connections�into the > homes of people who can't afford it at current market prices. (An > analogy that a lot of people in F.C.C. World make is between telecom and > the Middle East: the Clinton people blame the bloodshed on the Bush > people, because they disengaged when they came into office, and the Bush > people blame it on the Clinton people, because they raised too many > expectations and stirred too many passions.) > > But Michael Powell's F.C.C. has not been hyperactive. Powell has been > conducting internal policy reviews and reforming the management of the > F.C.C. and waiting for the federal courts and the Congress to send him > signals. (In mid-September, Powell finally initiated a formal review of > the F.C.C.'s limits on media concentration.) This doesn't mean he has > been inactive; rather, he has been active in a way that further > infuriates his critics�in a manner that smoothly blends the genial and > the provocative, he muses about whether the fundamental premises of > F.C.C. World really make sense, while giving the impression that he's > having the time of his life as chairman. At his first press conference, > when he was asked what he was going to do about the "digital > divide"�that is, economic inequality in access to the Internet�he said, > "You know, I think there is a Mercedes divide. I'd like to have one and > I can't afford one." At the National Cable & Telecommunications > Association convention, in Chicago, Powell, following a troupe of > tumblers to the stage, interrupted his walk to the podium to perform a > somersault. > > > Not long ago, I went to see Powell in his office at the F.C.C. Until > 1998, when the commission moved to a new building in Southwest > Washington, near the city's open-air fish market, F.C.C. World was at > the western edge of downtown, where everybody would encounter everybody > else at a few familiar restaurants and bars. Today, the F.C.C. building > looks like the office of a mortgage company in a suburban office park. > Even the chairman's suite, though large, is beige, carpeted, and > fluorescent. Powell is a bulky man who wears gold-rimmed glasses and > walks with a pronounced limp, the result of injuries he suffered in a > jeep accident in Germany, in 1987, when he was an Army officer. Because > of the accident, he left the Army and went to law school, where he > became entranced with conservative ideas about regulation, particularly > the idea that the government, rather than trying to correct the flaws of > the market before the fact�"prophylactically," as he likes to say�should > wait till the flaws manifest themselves and then use antitrust > litigation to fix them. He worked briefly at a corporate law firm, and > then became a prot�g� of Joel Klein, the head of the antitrust division > of the Clinton Justice Department and the man who led the government's > legal case against Microsoft. (He was recently appointed chancellor of > the New York public-school system.) It testifies to Powell's political > skill that he is probably the only high official in the Bush > Administration who not only served in the Clinton Administration but > also maintains close ties to Bush's nemesis Senator John McCain, of > Arizona. One of the things about Powell that annoy people is his > enduring love of law school�"It's sort of like a law-school study > session over there," one Democratic former commissioner said. As if to > confirm the charge, Powell, when I arrived, introduced me to four law > students, summer interns at the commission, whom he'd invited to sit in. > > I began by asking Powell whether he agreed with the founding assumptions > of the F.C.C. For example, could private companies have apportioned the > airwaves among themselves without the government being involved? > > "I think we'll never know," Powell said. "I don't think it's an > automatically bad idea, the way some people will argue. Land is probably > the best analogue. We don't seize all the land in the United States and > say, 'The government will issue licenses to use land.' If my neighbor > puts a fence one foot onto my property line, there's a whole body of law > about what I can do about that, including whether I can tear it down. If > a wireless company was interfering with another wireless company, it's a > similar proposition. There are scholars who argue�indeed, the famous > Ronald Coase treatise that won the Nobel Prize was about this�that > spectrum policy is lunacy. The market could work this out, in the kinds > of ways that we're accustomed to." > > Talking to Powell was fun. Unlike most high government officials, he > doesn't seem to be invested in appearing dignified or commanding. He > slumps in his chair and fiddles with his tie and riffs. He speaks in > ironic air quotes. He's like your libertarian friend in college who > enjoyed staying up all night asking impertinent rhetorical questions > about aspects of life that everybody else takes for granted but that he > sees as sentimental or illogical. After a while, I asked him whether he > thought his predecessors' excitement about the 1996 Telecommunications > Act had been excessive. > > "I would start with a caveat," Powell said. "Look, I can't fault those > judgments in and of themselves, given the time and what people thought. > They were not the only ones who were hysterical about the opportunities. > But, frankly, I've always been a little bit critical. First of all, > anybody who works with the act knows that it doesn't come anywhere close > to matching the hyperbole that was associated with it, by the President > on down, about the kinds of things it's going to open up. I mean, I > don't know what provisions are the information-superhighway provisions, > or what provisions are so digitally oriented, or some of the things that > were a big part of the theatre of its introduction. When one starts > reading the details, one searches, often in vain, for these provisions. > But, nonetheless, there was a rising dot-com excitement, and an Internet > excitement, and people thought this was historic legislation, and it > certainly was. > > "But. We were sucking helium out of balloons, with the kinds of > expectations that were being bandied around, and this is before the > economy or the market even gets in trouble. It was a dramatically > exaggerated expectation�by the leadership of the commission, by > politicians, by the market itself, by companies themselves. It was a > gold rush, and led to some very detrimental business decisions, ones > that government encouraged by its policies, frankly. Everybody wanted to > see numbers go up on the board." > > Powell began imitating an imagined true believer in the Telecom Act. " > 'I want to see ten competitors. Twenty competitors! I want to see > thirty-per-cent market share. Fifty-per-cent market share! I want the > Bells to bleed! Then we'll know we've succeeded.' " Now Powell returned > to being Powell. "I think that expectation was astonishingly > unrealistic, in the short term. They wanted to see it while they're > there. We were starting to get drunk on the juice we were drinking. And > the market was getting drunk on the juice we were drinking. There's no > question, we went too soon too fast. Too many companies took on too much > debt too fast before the market really had a product, or a business model." > > How could the Telecom Act have been handled better? "We could have > chosen policies that were less hellbent on a single objective, and were > slightly more balanced and put more economic discipline in the system," > Powell said. "Money chased what seemed like government-promised > opportunity. The problem with that is there's a morning after, and we're > in it. And the problem is there is no short fix for this problem. This > debt is going to take years to bring down to a realistic level. In some > ways, for short-term gain, we paid a price in long-term stability." > > Powell went on to say that it might have turned out differently if there > had been a more "reasonable" level of investment. "No, we wouldn't have > every home in America with competitive choice yet�but we don't anyway. I > don't think it's the remonopolization of telephone service. I don't buy > that. The Bells will prosper, but did anybody believe they wouldn't? The > part of the story that didn't materialize was that people thought so > would MCI WorldCom and Sprint." > > Other local phone companies, he added, hadn't materialized as viable > businesses, either, and they never might. "Everybody's always saying, > 'The regulators did this and this and this.' But, candidly, the story's > quite the opposite. I think the regulators bent over backward for six > years to give them a chance. Conditions don't get that good except once > every thirty years, and it didn't happen. So, whatever the reason, we're > looking at a WorldCom that's teetering. We're looking at a long-distance > business that has had a rapid decline in its revenue base. A.T. & T. is > breaking itself up. Sprint has struggled." > > Could the F.C.C. have done anything to make the long-distance companies > stronger? "At the F.C.C.? I think I'll just be blunt. My political > answer? Yes, there's all kinds of things we can do at the margin to try > to help. But I can't find thirty billion dollars for WorldCom somewhere. > I can't mitigate the impacts of an accounting scandal and an S.E.C. > investigation. Were I king, it would be wonderful, but I don't have > those kinds of levers. I don't know whether anybody does. At some point, > companies are expected to run themselves in a way that keeps them from > dying." Powell couldn't have made it much clearer that he doesn't think > it's his responsibility to do anything about the telecom crash. He has > demonstrated his sure political touch by making accommodationist > gestures�in August, for example, five months after disbanding the > F.C.C.'s Accounting Safeguards Division, Powell announced that he was > appointing a committee to study accounting standards in the > communications industry. But that shows that Powell is better at riding > out the storm than, say, Harvey Pitt, his counterpart at the Securities > and Exchange Commission, and does not mean that he plans to try to shore > up the telecom industry. > > I asked Powell if it would bother him if, for most people, only one > company provided cable television and only one provided local phone > service. "Yes," he said. "It concerns us that there's one of each of > those things, but let's not diminish the importance of there being one > of each of those things. That still is a nice suite of communications > capabilities, even if they aren't direct analogues of each other." > Anyway, Powell said, before long the phone companies will be able to > provide video service over their lines, and the cable companies will > provide data service over their lines, so there will be more choice. > "So, yeah, we have this anxiety: we have one of everything. The question > is, Does it stay that way?" > > The concentration of ownership and the concentrated control of > information did not appear to trouble Powell, either. He said that > people confuse bigness, which brings many benefits, with concentration, > which distorts markets. "If this were just economics, it's easy. If you > were to say to me, 'Mike, just worry about economic concentration,' we > know how to do that�the econometrics of antitrust. I can tell you when a > market's too concentrated and prices are going to rise. The problem is > other dimensions, like political, ideological, sometimes emotional. Take > the question of, if everybody's controlling what you see, the assumption > there is that somehow there'll be this viewpoint, a monolithic > viewpoint, pushed on you by your media and you won't get diversity. I > think that's a possibility. I don't think it's nearly the possibility > that's ascribed to it sometimes." > > Powell explained, "Sometimes when we see very pointed political or > parochial programming, it gets attacked as unfair. I see some of the > same people who claim they want diversity go crazy when Rush Limbaugh > exists. They love diversity, but somehow we should run Howard Stern off > the planet. If it has a point of view, then it becomes accused of bias, > and then we have policies like"�here his tone went from ironic to > sarcastic�"the fairness doctrine, which seems to me like the antithesis > of what I thought those people cared about. So when somebody is pointed > and opinionated, we do all this stuff in the name of journalistic > fairness and integrity or whatever, to make them balance it out." > > > F.C.C. World abounds in theories about Michael Powell. One is that he > can't make up his mind about how to address the crisis in the industries > he regulates�so he talks (and talks and talks) flamboyantly about the > market, in order to buy himself time. Another is that he's carrying > water for the arbocks and the big cable companies. Another is that he is > planning to run for the Senate from Virginia (or to be appointed > Attorney General in a second Bush term), and doesn't want to do anything > at the F.C.C. that would diminish his chances. Another is that he's > waiting to move until there is more consensus on some course of action, > so that he doesn't wind up going first and getting caught in the > crossfire between the arbocks and the cable companies and the television > networks. (In F.C.C. World, this is known as the Powell Doctrine of > Telecom, after Colin Powell's idea that the United States should never > commit itself militarily without a clear objective, overwhelming force, > and an exit strategy.) And another is that he actually believes what he > says, and thinks the telecommunications crash is natural, healthy, and > irreversible, and more concentration would be just fine. > > "This is why elections matter," Reed Hundt, who isn't happy about what > has become of his Telecom Act, told me. It's true that the F.C.C.�much > more than, say, the war in Afghanistan�is a case in which a Gore > Administration would be acting quite differently from the Bush > Administration. Consumers might have noticed the difference by now, but > there's no question whether communications companies have noticed. The > arbocks are doing better against their internal rivals than they would > have done if Gore had won. Next election, they'll help the party that > helped them. If the Republicans win, policy will tilt further in the > arbocks' favor. If they lose, perhaps the arbocks' rivals�the > long-distance companies and the telecommunications upstarts�with their > friends now in power, will stage a comeback. America's present is not > unrecognizably different from America's past. > > -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO \| work: +1.949.833.2800 gbolcer at endeavors.com \| http://endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc.\| cell: +1.714.928.5476	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3523	From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Oct 10 12:34:51 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BD316F20 for <jm@localhost>; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:33:33 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:33:33 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A6HqK11334 for <jm@jmason.org>; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:17:53 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC8E2940B3; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com (p5.n-usslc14.stsn.com [12.23.74.5]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783F529409A for <fork@xent.com>; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianbell.com ([10.16.39.92]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:16:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Fwd: [POLITICOS] Re: "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday From: Ian Andrew Bell <fork@ianbell.com> To: fork@example.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1271ABB6-DC18-11D6-B3AB-0030657C53EA@ianbell.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) X-Originalarrivaltime: 10 Oct 2002 06:16:04.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[83132A00:01C27024] Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:18:20 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FWD_MSG,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, T_NONSENSE_FROM_00_10,T_NONSENSE_FROM_10_20, T_NONSENSE_FROM_20_30,T_NONSENSE_FROM_30_40, T_NONSENSE_FROM_40_50,T_NONSENSE_FROM_50_60, T_NONSENSE_FROM_60_70,T_NONSENSE_FROM_70_80, T_NONSENSE_FROM_80_90,T_NONSENSE_FROM_90_91, T_NONSENSE_FROM_91_92,T_NONSENSE_FROM_92_93, T_NONSENSE_FROM_93_94,T_NONSENSE_FROM_94_95, T_NONSENSE_FROM_95_96,T_NONSENSE_FROM_96_97, T_NONSENSE_FROM_97_98,T_NONSENSE_FROM_98_99, T_NONSENSE_FROM_99_100,T_QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,UNSUB_PAGE, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: Begin forwarded message: > From: Ian Andrew Bell <hello@ianbell.com> > Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:16:09 PM US/Pacific > To: mike@michaelmoore.com > Cc: foib@ianbell.com > Subject: [POLITICOS] Re: "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday > > Michael, > > Why is it that people who consider voting in an election an > inconvenience would go to see a movie to show support for its message? > Don't get me wrong -- I think this is the case. People will go to > see your movie as much to be entertained and informed as they will to > express their malice and discontent towards not only the present > regime in America, but also the corrupt, empty, shallow pantomime > which cast them into power. > > In reality, today the voting that takes place via the act of > consumption far outweighs the impact caused by people going to a booth > and dimpling the appropriate chad, or some other such convoluted act > of free democratic expression. > > Why? Because in America, they believe in dollars. Dollars don't lie. > In practise, they are the last frontier of truth in America, > universally accepted as expressions of fear, desire, passion, and > need. Compared to the swing of the almighty buck, and Jeb Bush knows > this, a hanging chad has only the nethermost meaning. > > Given that fact, I modestly propose an entirely new, though wholly > logical, extension to the current democratic system in place in > America: > > I propose we augment, and effectively replace, the electoral system > with a political stock market. We should accept that Politicians are > entrepreneurs just like any other businessperson in America, and > embrace this fact in building an economic system which truly reflects > their intent. A politician should issue a constant number of shares > dependent upon his tenure in government. Those shares should be > traded on an open exchange, say the G.R.E.E.D. (short, of course, for > the "Global Realists' Electoral Exchange -- Democratic"). Politicians > we believe in will see their stocks rise higher as faith in their > ability to maintain office grows. As the truth about their embezzling > campaign funds for weekend trips to Maui with their interns is > revealed, of course, their fortunes will fall. > > This represents an opportunity for the market forces -- those same > forces which you intend to harness to express your own personal > protest -- to voice their opinion on the quality of America's > governance during the intervening four years between elections. > Elections themselves will in effect become meaningless, as they are > now, since their outcome will be influenced by the stock price of each > and every congressman, senator, and presidential candidate. > > Just think of the coverage that could be given on MSNBC! "Strom > Thurman (STROM: news - quotes) was down 15% today on fears that his > latest heart operation will render him unable to attend Senate Armed > Services committee meetings until November.." This would provide > rejuvenating content to the econo-political news sector, which has > found post-economic-bubble coverage to be both tiresome and > deoressing. The establishment of this new stock exchange would of > course create jobs for newly unemployed (and governmentally retrained) > IT systems engineers who could, after passing the electoral securities > exam, become floor traders. > > This would also allow for a convenient and very public method by which > candidates could raise capital in the public markets to support their > multi-billion-dollar campaigns. The requirement for the support of > legions of spin doctors, permanent campaign managers, and investor > relations personnel would also create jobs -- perhaps even a new > practice for Ernst & Young, Arthur Anderson, et al. Insider trading > scandals and misleading revenue declarations would of course catch > Martha Stewart as an unwitting beneficiary, thus spreading her > influence to politics. > > Dividends, if there are any on record, at the close of a politician's > career could be paid to current shareholders based on the holdings. > Pensions funds could provide the institutional investment support > necessary to underpin even the biggest dogs among the Beltway set. > Union funds, brokerages, and even pump-and-dump houses could benefit > from meteoric rises in conservative candidates running in the > Southeast, and the Bush Governmet would be allowed to place Social > Security bets where they really mattered. investors who lose their > retirement, life savings, and support could rest assured that they > were indeed robbed by crooks rather than poor investors. > > Although there's no way to protect any of these for Worldcom-like > crashes, ambitious, inspired, District Attorneys could file criminal > suits against Candidates and Campaign Managers who underperform > expectations, thus assuring investors that their logic was not faulty > -- instead, they were merely defrauded by crooks and thieves. > > On the whole, I believe the system could work. I could certainly work > as well as our beloved securities trading industry and, given the > American electoral system's success at effectively expressing the will > of the people, it certainly couldn't do any worse... > > In the meantime, Mike, I think I'll go see your movie and try to > depose the President. > > -Ian. > > > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 03:53 PM, Michael Moore's Mailing > List wrote: > >> October 9, 2002 >> >> My Film, "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday >> >> Dear friends, fans, and fellow evildoers: >> >> I am very happy and excited to tell you that this Friday, October 11, >> my >> new >> film, "Bowling for Columbine," will open in New York and Los Angeles. >> >> It is, I promise, the last thing the Bushies want projected on the >> movie >> screens across America this week. The film is, first and foremost, a >> devastating indictment of the violence that is done in our name for >> profit >> and power -- and no one, in all the advance screenings I have >> attended, has >> left the theatre with anything short of rage. I truly believe this >> film has >> the potential to rock the nation and get people energized to do >> something. >> >> This is not good news for Junior and Company. Not when they are >> trying to >> drag us into another war. Not when a crazed sniper is exercising his >> constitutional right to own a high-powered rifle. Not when John >> Ashcroft is >> still prohibiting the FBI from looking through the gun background >> check >> files to see if any of the 19 hijackers or their associates purchased >> any >> weapons prior to 9/11 -- because THAT, we are told, would "violate" >> these >> terrorists' sacred Second Amendment rights! >> >> Yes, I believe this movie can create a lot of havoc -- but I will >> need ALL >> of you to help me do this. Are you game? >> >> Last February 5th, I wrote to tell you about a book I had written and >> how >> the publisher had decided to dump it because they were afraid to >> publish >> anything critical of Bush after 9/11. I appealed to you to save >> "Stupid >> White Men" from the shredder and to go out and buy it. I promised you >> would >> not regret it, and that the book would not only be a great read but an >> important organizing tool in gumming up the plans of George W. Bush. >> >> Within 24 hours, the book went to #1 on the Amazon best seller list. >> By the >> fifth day, the book was already into its 9th printing. The publisher >> was >> torn between its desire to kill the book or make a wad of money. >> Greed won >> out, and this Sunday the book enters its 31st week on the New York >> Times >> best seller list -- and its 32nd printing. This is all because of >> you, my >> crazy and loyal friends. You made this happen, against all the odds. >> >> Now I would like to ask you again to help me with my latest work, >> "Bowling >> for Columbine." It's a movie that many critics have already called my >> best >> film to date. They may be right. It is certainly the most provocative >> thing >> I have ever done. I have spent three years on it and, I have to say, >> it >> cuts >> deeper, harder and funnier that anything I have given you so far. >> >> The movie opens this Friday in New York and Los Angeles, and then in >> 8 more >> cities next week. How it does in these first ten cities will determine >> whether or not the rest of the country gets to see it. That is the >> nutty >> way >> our films are released. If it doesn't have a big opening weekend, you >> can >> kiss the film good-bye. Therefore, this weekend, this film must be >> seen by >> millions of Americans. Can you help me make that happen? >> >> "Bowling for Columbine" is not a film simply about guns or school >> shootings. >> That is only the starting point for my 2-hour journey into the dark >> soul of >> a country that is both victim and master of an enormous amount of >> violence, >> both at home and around the world. With this movie I have broadened my >> canvas to paint a portrait of our nation at the beginning of the 21st >> century, a nation that seems hell-bent on killing first and asking >> questions >> later. It is a movie about the state sponsored acts of violence and >> terrorism against our own poor, and how we have created a culture of >> fear >> that is based on the racial dilemma we continue to ignore. And it's a >> devastating comedy. >> >> This film is going to upset some pretty big apple carts. No film has >> EVER >> said the things I am saying in "Bowling for Columbine." I expect to be >> attacked. I expect certain theatres will not show it for fear of >> retribution. I expect that this movie will be a bitter pill for many >> to >> swallow. >> >> This is why I need your help. Movies live or die based on what >> happens at >> the box office the first weekend of its release. I need you, if you >> live in >> the New York or L.A. area, to go see "Bowling for Columbine" this >> Friday >> and >> Saturday -- and take as many family members and friends with you as >> possible. I guarantee you will not be disappointed -- and you may >> just see >> one of the best films of the year. >> >> Monday night in Times Square, "Bowling for Columbine" had its >> premiere. The >> crowd was amazing, as it was this past Saturday night at the Chicago >> Film >> Festival. The audience kept laughing or hooting or applauding so loud >> throughout the film that it was hard to hear the next line. >> >> The hate mail, the threats, the promises of retribution have already >> started >> to roll in to the distributor of this movie, United Artists. They are >> not >> backing down. But how long will this last? I need all of you in the >> New >> York >> tri-state and southern California areas to go see "Bowling for >> Columbine" >> THIS weekend -- the rest of you can see it in a couple of weeks when >> it >> comes to your town. A strong opening not only means that the rest of >> America >> will see this film, it means that a good number of people who see it >> are >> going to leave the film angry enough to get active and get involved. >> If it >> does poorly, I will have a difficult time finding the funding for the >> movie >> I want to make next -- a film about 9/11 and how Bush is using that >> tragic >> day as a cover for his right-wing agenda. >> >> Don't let that happen. Don't let the NRA have one more success by >> stopping >> the wider distribution of this movie. And, together, let us not remain >> silent in our opposition to Bush's phony war against Iraq. >> >> If you live in New York, you can see it at the Lincoln Plaza, the >> Sunshine >> and the Loews 19th St. In L.A., you can catch it at the Sunset 5, the >> Westwood Regent, Laemmle Sunset, Laemmle Towncenter (Encino), Landmark >> Rialto (Pasadena), and Regal University (Irvine). Also, please >> forward this >> to your other friends and tell them to go see "Bowling for Columbine" >> this >> weekend. >> >> And finally, don't miss our new website www.bowlingforcolumbine.com >> >> Thank you for your help with this. I feel so honored and privileged >> to have >> so many people interested in my work. Last January I was getting >> 70,000 >> hits >> a month on my website. Last month, I got 17 million hits. This alone >> speaks >> volumes about the vast majority all of us belong to who are sick and >> tired >> of what is going on and are longing for an alternative source of >> information. >> >> I hope that you enjoy "Bowling for Columbine." >> >> Thank you again... >> >> Yours, >> >> Michael Moore >> >> --- >> >> If you wish to be be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please >> click the >> link below and follow the instructions. >> >> http://www.michaelmoore.com/mailing/unsubscribe.php >	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3524	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 16:02:02 2002 To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Anolther sequence related traceback In-Reply-To: <6853.1030345218@munnari.OZ.AU> References: <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <16323.1030043119@munnari.OZ.AU> <6853.1030345218@munnari.OZ.AU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-695163552P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:00:18 +0700 > > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:58:20 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030550301.a24bc5@DeepEddy.Com> > Message-ID: <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > \| Interesting...I don't think this was my bug. > \| It appears that Msg_Change was asked to change to message "-". > > Something like that is quite possible, but perviously typing nonsense > in didn't cause tracebacks, and now it does, and the traceback came > from the sequence code... > > Perviously this would have just caused red messages in the status > line complaining about my lousy typing. That's probably what it > should keep on doing (the "red" part isn't important obviously..) Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-695163552P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ajrsK9b4h5R0IUIRAmd+AJ9WU9Wzf7ey0YYYTpYGcyJfpZuUFwCfX4CN KE8fxn3ZKKmtJCWgS2fXK/w= =enN3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-695163552P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
45	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:50 2002 From: "Russell Turpin" <deafbox@hotmail.com> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: The case for spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-Id: <F160luCBcKfExvWvqzA00000209@hotmail.com> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:20:23 +0000 Lucas Gonze: >Spam is the tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited >means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list. That depends on how the list is collected, or even on what the senders say about how the list is collected. Better to just put it on a website, and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND it doesn't clutter my inbox. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
46	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:55 2002 From: "John Evdemon" <jevdemon@acm.org> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <3D655B37.2901.1DB12A@localhost> Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <20020823005705.D63AEC44E@argote.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Description: Mail message body Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:44:23 -0400 On 23 Aug 2002 at 2:57, Robert Harley wrote: > It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, > but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative > sounding conclusion "Status: False". I actually thought it was pretty funny and quite accurate. Who cares if the spinmeisters are denying it? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
47	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:08:03 2002 Message-Id: <001b01c24a76$315c63d0$e600000a@XENON16> From: "wintermute" <cout@eircom.net> To: <ilug@linux.ie> References: <3d65260f.948.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:25:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
48	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:09:00 2002 Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Chuck Murcko <chuck@topsail.org> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> Message-Id: <DD4216FF-B66F-11D6-837F-003065F93D3A@topsail.org> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:11:02 -0700 According to my son, it was actually Homer Simpson, who claimed the French had no word for victory. Chuck On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 01:58 PM, Robert Harley wrote: > An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under > considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's > tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started > telling disparaging anecdotes about the President. > > Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good > friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques > Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of > the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in > Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.' > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > R > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
49	From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:09:00 2002 To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <20020823084435.D5070C44E@argote.ch> From: harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley) Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Whore eructed: >--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but >--]certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion >--]"Status: False". > >So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed >true [...] Exsqueeze me, but what part of "I don't know if it's true or not" did you fail to grok? I personally doubt it simply because I never heard of Bush and Chirac going to Brighton. Next time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked out primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK? Good thing we have you around to keep us on the straight and narrow, all the while inundating us with such erudite profundities as "Kill your idols folks", "fight the powers that be, from with out and from with in" and innumerable other dippy bromides. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
50	From quinlan@pathname.com Fri Aug 23 11:33:57 2002 To: zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org, craig@deersoft.com Subject: FYI - gone this weekend Cc: quinlan@pathname.com Message-Id: <E17iBiq-0005K9-00@proton.pathname.com> From: Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@pathname.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:31:20 -0700 I won't be reading email until Sunday night or so. Good luck with 2.40 and don't do anything I wouldn't do. ;-) - Dan	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
51	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:42:34 2002 Message-Id: <005401c24f6f$2f797b90$e600000a@XENON16> From: "wintermute" <cout@eircom.net> To: <ilug@linux.ie> References: <3D6E355E.9060008@diva.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] eircoms adsl modems Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:17:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
52	From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 16:52:57 2002 To: Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> Cc: FoRK <FoRK@xent.com> Subject: Re: Internet saturation (but not in Iceland) References: <200208290358.03815.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m2znv5y9og.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: 29 Aug 2002 11:19:27 -0400 >>>>> "E" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> writes: E> Gary's news service at teledyn.com has an article on Internet E> Saturation. Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the E> middle of the Atlantic, mostly in the dark for half the year, E> wouldn't you like a bit of internet distraction? They've E> already done the obvious and fiber-ringed the island. There's lots of similar places. Saskatchewan, for example, once shared with Iceland the distinction of most telephone connections per capita, and for a long time shared the internet penetration lead with Iceland (Sask is a land-locked massive expanse of ultra-flat dust with only two rivers and farm sizes measured in the hundred-thousand-hectares). It's still curious Iceland leads. Maybe there's just a deep cultural curiousity and fascination with watching advertising from the rest of the world. Maybe they're downloading Bjork videos. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3109	From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Sep 11 13:49:36 2002 From: "Mr. FoRK" <fork_list@hotmail.com> To: <fork@example.com> Subject: Microsoft buys XDegress - more of a p2p/distributed data thing... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <DAV60BuhOF3Gc76oajS00012b65@hotmail.com> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:45:31 -0700 detail: the program doesn't have to reload when a new page is loaded, as JavaScript functions do. And because XDegrees uses Web-compatible technology, users can access XDegrees resources without installing any software, simply by using their browser." === "Scaling is the main question that comes to mind when somebody describes a new naming and searching system. CEO Michael Tanne claims to have figured out mathematically that the system can scale up to millions of users and billions of resources. Scaling is facilitated by the careful location of servers (XDegrees will colocate servers at key routing points, as Akamai does), and by directing clients to the nearest server as their default "home" server. Enterprise customers can use own servers to manage in-house applications." "Files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the Internet, as with Napster or Freenet. In fact, the caching in XDegrees is more sophisticated than it is on those systems: users with high bandwidth connections can download portions, or "stripes," of a file from several cached locations simultaneously. The XDegrees software then reassembles these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that the downloaded file is the same as the original. A key component of this digital signature is a digest of the file, which is stored as an HTTP header for the file."	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3110	From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Sep 11 13:49:38 2002 Message-Id: <029801c25960$db348560$640a000a@golden> From: "Gordon Mohr" <gojomo@usa.net> To: <fork@example.com> References: <DAV60BuhOF3Gc76oajS00012b65@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Microsoft buys XDegress - more of a p2p/distributed data thing... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:00:01 -0700 writes: > "Files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the > Internet, as with Napster or Freenet. In fact, the caching in XDegrees is > more sophisticated than it is on those systems: users with high bandwidth > connections can download portions, or "stripes," of a file from several > cached locations simultaneously. The XDegrees software then reassembles > these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that > the downloaded file is the same as the original. A key component of this > digital signature is a digest of the file, which is stored as an HTTP header > for the file." This "more sophisticated than [Napster or Freenet]" part seems to be the same behavior implemented in many other P2P CDNs, such as: - Kazaa - EDonkey/Overnet - BitTorrent - Gnutella (with HUGE extensions) - OnionNetworks WebRAID ...though the quality of the "digest" used by each system varies wildly. - Gordon	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3111	From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Sep 11 13:49:40 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C45016F17 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B8HTC07346 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:17:31 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA98A2940C2; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from frodo.hserus.net (202-77-223-48.outblaze.com [202.77.223.48]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA79329409A for <FoRK@XeNT.CoM>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-177-198.bng.vsnl.net.in ([203.197.177.198] helo=rincewind.pobox.com) by frodo.hserus.net with asmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p2fg-000C65-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:16:25 +0800 X-PGP-Dsskey: 0x55FAB8D3 X-PGP-Rsakey: 0xCAA67415 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020911114003.02e170f0@frodo.hserus.net> X-Nil: To: Adam Rifkin <adam@KnowNow.com>, FoRK@xent.com From: Udhay Shankar N <udhay@pobox.com> Subject: storage bits In-Reply-To: <200012281832.MAA00992@server1.KnowNow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:45:45 +0530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dogma.slashnull.org id g8B8HTC07346 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=7.0 tests=CALL_FREE,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FORGED_RCVD_TRAIL,IN_REP_TO, KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NIGERIAN_TRANSACTION_1, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: At 12:32 PM 12/28/00 -0600, Adam Rifkin wrote: >I repeat, IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for $375... >"home of fast, friendly courteous service! (R)" > >I kid you not. That's a half a cent a Megabyte for storage. >Not El Cheapo storage but top of the line storage. less than two years later, we have 320 GB for the same price: http://www.shareholder.com/maxtor/news/20020909-89588.cfm Maxtor Driving Capacity-Centric Enterprise Apps With "Super-Sized" ATA Drives Maxtor Continues its Leadership in the Market it Pioneered with a New Category of High-Density ATA Drives MILPITAS, Calif., September 9, 2002- Maxtor Corporation (NYSE: MXO), a worldwide leader in hard disk drives and data storage solutions, today announced Maxtor MaXLineTM, its newest generation of ATA drives designed specifically for rapidly emerging enterprise storage applications including near-line, media storage and network storage. The MaXLine family features two critical differentiators: huge capacities up to 320 GB for corporate archiving and media recording; and unique manufacturing and quality for 24/7 operations with mean time to failure (MTTF) rates exceeding one million hours. The MaXLine family is designed to bring hard disk drives into "near-line" archive applications. By adding a layer of MaXLine drives to archive architectures, companies can instantly recover time-critical data including executive e-mail, transaction data and accounting data that may need to be recovered on demand. These new drives are designed to solve another enterprise problem with the storage of video, media and audio conference call files. Even compressed, these files take up tremendous amounts of high-cost server space. Priced starting around $299.95 to $399.95 MSRP, Maxtor's MaXLine family offers high capacity drives for enterprise applications at price points between traditional ATA and SCSI drives. For system OEMs and white box builders, MaXLine offers high-density, easy-to-integrate storage for use in entry-level and mid-size server environments. "The demand for instant recall of archived data is expanding as companies are meeting their obligations to quickly access executive e-mails, financial documents and transaction records," said Mike Dooley, senior director of marketing for the Desktop Products Group at Maxtor. "Users may not need to access information in these applications on a daily basis, but when they do need access, it must be instant. Recent advances in ATA technology and our manufacturing processes allow us to build upon our legacy of experience and provide our customers with a family of premium ATA hard drives that can be integrated into a variety of systems for these enterprise applications." The MaXLine family includes the 5400-RPM MaXLine II, designed for capacities up to 320 GB and the 7200-RPM MaXLine Plus II, designed for capacities up to 250 GB. At these capacities, MaXLine offers higher storage density than many tape and optical solutions. These drives have also been tested and are projected to meet enterprise reliability requirements, already exceeded by prior drives employing the same robust Maxtor designs, which exceed MTTF of over one million hours. These drives will also carry a three-year warranty. The MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II feature the Maxtor Fast DriveTM UltraATA/133 interface for data transfer speeds up to 133 MB per second. The MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II will be available with next-generation serial ATA interface for higher performance. At 150 MB per second maximum data transfer rate, serial ATA improves hard drive performance to keep pace with the rapidly increasing performance requirements of data intensive environments and enterprise applications. With a point-to-point connection architecture, and rich command set for managing hard drive activity and data flow along the interface, serial ATA advances the performance and efficiency of the drive to system interface. The interface's reduced pin count allows for simpler cabling which in turn allows better airflow within a system and further benefits the user with increased design flexibility and hot plug capability. "Maxtor's MaXLine family of drives provide a solution for storing data that has previously been too expensive to keep on disk," said Dave Reinsel, analyst at IDC. "The ATA drives offer a great value, low cost per GB and when integrated into storage systems and file servers offer a compelling cost-effective alternative to tape libraries and optical drives, which have been the traditional solutions used for near-line applications." Availability Limited qualification units of the parallel ATA versions of Maxtor MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II are now available; with volume units available in the fourth quarter. Qualification units of the MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II with serial ATA will be available later this month with volume shipments scheduled to begin in the first quarter of 2003. About Maxtor Maxtor Corporation (www.maxtor.com) is one of the world's leading suppliers of information storage solutions. The company has an expansive line of storage products for desktop computers, storage systems, high-performance servers and consumer electronics. Maxtor has a reputation as a proven market leader built by consistently providing high-quality products and service and support for its customers. Maxtor and its products can be found at www.maxtor.com or by calling toll-free (800) 2-MAXTOR. Maxtor is traded on the NYSE under the MXO symbol. Note: Maxtor, MaXLine and the Maxtor logo are registered trademarks of Maxtor Corporation. Fast Drive is a trademark of Maxtor Corporation. All other trademarks are properties of their respective owners. GB means 1 billion bytes. Total accessible capacity varies depending on operating environment. This announcement relating to Maxtor may contain forward-looking statements concerning future technology, products incorporating that technology, and Maxtor's execution. These statements are based on current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties which could materially affect the company's results, including, but not limited to, market demand for hard disk drives, the company's ability to execute future production ramps and utilize manufacturing assets efficiently, pricing, competition, and the significant uncertainty of market acceptance of new products. These and other risk factors are contained in documents that the company files with the SEC, including the Form 10-K for fiscal 2001 and its recent 10-Qs. Copyright � 2001, Maxtor Corporation �. Privacy Policy. -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3112	From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Sep 11 14:10:33 2002 To: Udhay Shankar N <udhay@pobox.com> Cc: Adam Rifkin <adam@KnowNow.com>, FoRK@xent.com Subject: Re: storage bits References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020911114003.02e170f0@frodo.hserus.net> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m2k7lsispi.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: 11 Sep 2002 09:03:37 -0400 writes: U> At 12:32 PM 12/28/00 -0600, Adam Rifkin wrote: >> I repeat, IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for >> $375... "home of fast, friendly courteous service! (R)" U> less than two years later, we have 320 GB for the same price: So then why does my webhost _still_ only give me 200MB? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3525	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 16:02:06 2002 To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <25409.1030190165@munnari.OZ.AU> References: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <13277.1030015920@munnari.OZ.AU> <25409.1030190165@munnari.OZ.AU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-694865624P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030372165.11396.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804165.9a9180@DeepEddy.Com> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:29:23 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:56:05 +0700 > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030460647.7351a3@DeepEddy.Com> > Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > \| hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks? > > Yes, I will, sometime, after I look at the nmh sources and see what > they have managed to break, and why. > > But we really want exmh to operate with all the versions of nmh that > exist, don't we? The patch to have exmh do the right thing, whether this > bug exists, or not, is trivial, so I'd suggest including it. > > Patch follows ... > > I have no idea why the sequences were being added after the message list > before, not that it should make any difference to nmh (or MH). But since > I stopped doing that, the variable "msgs" isn't really needed any more, > rather than assigning $pick(msgs) to msgs, and then using $msgs the code > could just use $pick(msgs) where $msgs is now used. This is just a > frill though, so I didn't change that. I'll fix this in CVS this afternoon. Thanks, Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-694865624P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ajtDK9b4h5R0IUIRAlFjAKCJRCAKR2dkmh5oqHfkagDddfmrBwCdH6vv FCRlUSeu14edQaoD4yCWoDQ= =+lzS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-694865624P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3526	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 19:03:29 2002 To: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Exmh && speed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Message-Id: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 considerably: 2.5-release: 350-450 msec latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the user settings hasn't changed. Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? /Anders _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3527	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 19:24:02 2002 To: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> References: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1521948024P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030385858.10433.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030817859.2037e8@DeepEddy.Com> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:17:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 > > > lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I > just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the > scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. > > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > > Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the > user settings hasn't changed. > > Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences. I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on Friday, and have plenty of "real work" to do, I won't be able to do much until I get back. I will look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check into what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be hurt. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1521948024P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9anDAK9b4h5R0IUIRAi7qAJsEAXgadxpxYR5yEcwl9VcuhonraACcDI87 yyhj/sCflWdxrSbT4ZsT9yU= =AcMk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1521948024P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3528	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 19:24:06 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC6844155 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:24:03 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QIPeZ04341 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:25:40 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421593FA4E; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202603EA03 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QIMwx05888 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QIMwY05884 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from turing-police.cc.vt.edu (turing-police.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.121]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QI85l24455 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from turing-police.cc.vt.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing-police.cc.vt.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7QIMk7P005756; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261822.g7QIMk7P005756@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4+dev To: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200." <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu X-Url: http://black-ice.cc.vt.edu/~valdis/ X-Face-Viewer: See ftp://cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/index.html to decode picture X-Face: 34C9$Ewd2zeX+\!i1BA\j{ex+$/V'JBG#;3_noWWYPa"\|,I#`R"{n@w>#:{)FXyiAS7(8t( ^w5O!8O9YTe[r{e%7(yVRb\|qxsRYw`7J!`AM}m_SHaj}f8eb@d^L>BrX7iO[<!v4-0bVIpaxF#-) %9#a9h6JXI\|T\|8o6t\V?kGl]Q!1V]GtNliUtz:3},0"hkPeBuu%E,j(:\iOX-P,t7lRR# References: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1913987426P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.8 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,MULTIPART_SIGNED,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --==_Exmh_-1913987426P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200, Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> said: > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick "just pound on 'next' and watch the wall clock" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in under 5 seconds, so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a really piggy CPU spike (100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code. Of course, it seems to be related to number-of-folders: [~] wc Mail/.folders 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders It's particularly annoying because things just hose-and-hang for 10 seconds, so when it hits, you have a long latency before what you're doing actually happens... 14:08:54 Background_DoPeriodic flist 14:08:54 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0 14:08:54 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0 14:08:56 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/exmh/.mh_sequences 14:08:56 exmh has 1 msgs in unseen 14:08:56 1 unseen message in 1 folder 14:08:56 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup} 14:08:56 {Setting flag glyph to iconup} 14:08:56 {Set flag state to up} 14:08:58 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/list-spams/.mh_sequences 14:08:58 list-spams has 1 msgs in unseen 14:08:58 2 unseen messages in 2 folders 14:08:58 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup} 14:09:02 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/trash/.mh_sequences 14:09:02 trash has 2 msgs in pseq 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found 14:09:03 {pseq: 7506-7508 => 7506} 14:09:03 Writing /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/.mh_sequences 14:09:03 xemacs has 1 msgs in pseq 14:09:03 Flist_Done And it takes a hit even if there's no new mail: 14:11:03 Background_DoPeriodic flist 14:11:03 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0 14:11:03 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0 14:11:12 Flist_Done 14:11:12 Flist_FindSeqs end {9018315 microseconds per iteration} I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about a brown-paper-bag bug... ;) -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech --==_Exmh_-1913987426P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9anH1cC3lWbTT17ARAvzuAKDShPISux8PrLitv4WIzUiCxfj60gCgvEPy QnWKrjGimFVroJcIHICt2e4= =T3wR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1913987426P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3529	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 19:44:41 2002 To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Cc: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm>, exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: <200208261822.g7QIMk7P005756@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> <200208261822.g7QIMk7P005756@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1581673767P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030387189.15657.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030819190.a66e27@DeepEddy.Com> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:39:47 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400 > > I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is > going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about > a brown-paper-bag bug... ;) As I mentioned in my email to Anders, it's certainly in my code and I don't have time to work on it right now, so I would not be offended if you worked on it. I just this moment found out that my partner has promised a few things would be done before my vacation that will require my efforts, so it's even more true that it was when I sent the mail to Anders. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1581673767P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9anXzK9b4h5R0IUIRAqiEAJsEF+hfbYPkHDm0L6E8Q+a7yy/0pACcDZXl u6aC2B1PKjc336D56TZvdxc= =x6ru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1581673767P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3530	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 23:40:32 2002 To: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: Message from Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 EDT." <200208261822.g7QIMk7P005756@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Message-Id: <20020826223448.0009A3F21@milou.dyndns.org> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:43 +0200 said: > From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 > > > lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I > just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the > scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. > > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > > Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the > user settings hasn't changed. > > Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? > Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences. > I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on > Friday, and have plenty of "real work" to do, I won't be able to do > much until I get back. > I will look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check > into what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be > hurt. > Chris Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the problem. Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity? /A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3531	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 23:40:32 2002 To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: Message from Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 EDT." <200208261822.g7QIMk7P005756@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Message-Id: <20020826223810.AB8A13F21@milou.dyndns.org> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:38:05 +0200 said: > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick "just pound on 'next' and > watch the wall clock" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in > under 5 seconds, so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a > really piggy CPU spike (100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code. > Of course, it seems to be related to number-of-folders: > [~] wc Mail/.folders > 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders I have 167 folders (!) and run with bg-proc set to flist (1 minute). I see delays, but not that much. Maybe 1-3 seconds (which tend to disappear these days). This is on a PII-266. BR, /A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
53	From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 16:32:25 2002 Message-Id: <EEE172E4-BB63-11D6-8C04-00039344DDD6@ordersomewherechaos.com> From: "RossO" <fork@ordersomewherechaos.com> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Computational Recreations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0208261252210.16631-100000@crank.slack.net> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com Precedence: bulk Date: 29 Aug 2002 08:28:13 -0700 On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 09:59 AM, Tom wrote: > Post MG in the 80's there were the colums by A K Dewdney that I dug a > bunch put into a book called Turing Omnibus and then there is , of > course, all the goodens put out by Dougy Hoffstadler. A.K. Dewdney was the name I was looking for and the column was "Computer Recreations". Turns out he's still in Ontario and even has some homemade Sci-Fi online... http://www.csd.uwo.ca/faculty/akd/TALES/index.html Vat Man Programming Roger The Homunculids Alphie & Omega ...Ross...	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
54	From exmh-users-admin@redhat.com Thu Aug 22 14:44:07 2002 Message-Id: <200208221336.g7MDaWX26868@hobbit.linuxworks.com.au.nospam> To: Exmh Users Mailing List <exmh-users@example.com> From: Tony Nugent <tony@linuxworks.com.au> Organization: Linux Works for network In-Reply-To: message-id <200208212046.g7LKkqf15798@mail.banirh.com> of Wed, Aug 21 15:46:52 2002 Subject: Re: Insert signature Sender: exmh-users-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-users-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: exmh-users@example.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:36:32 +1000 On Wed Aug 21 2002 at 15:46, Ulises Ponce wrote: > Hi! > > Is there a command to insert the signature using a combination of keys and not > to have sent the mail to insert it then? I simply put it (them) into my (nmh) component files (components, replcomps, forwcomps and so on). That way you get them when you are editing your message. Also, by using comps files for specific folders you can alter your .sig per folder (and other tricks). See the docs for (n)mh for all the details. There might (must?) also be a way to get sedit to do it, but I've been using gvim as my exmh message editor for a long time now. I load it with a command that loads some email-specific settings, eg, to "syntax" colour-highlight the headers and quoted parts of an email)... it would be possible to map some (vim) keys that would add a sig (or even give a selection of sigs to choose from). And there are all sorts of ways to have randomly-chosen sigs... somewhere at rtfm.mit.edu... ok, here we go: rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/signature_finger_faq. (Warning... it's old, May 1995). > Regards, > Ulises Hope this helps. Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
55	From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 29 16:42:46 2002 Return-Path: <spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB0C43F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:42:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFYvZ18369 for <zzzz-sa@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:34:58 +0100 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kRI7-0008KP-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:33:03 -0700 Received: from moonbase.zanshin.com ([167.160.213.139]) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kRHG-000488-00 for <spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:10 -0700 Received: from aztec.zanshin.com (IDENT:schaefer@aztec.zanshin.com [167.160.213.132]) by moonbase.zanshin.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g7TFW8J23933 for <spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@zanshin.com> To: Spamassassin-Talk <spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why? In-Reply-To: <3D6E255A.CB569D9B@hallikainen.com> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208290714450.30051-100000@aztec.zanshin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-Beenthere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@example.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net> List-Subscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk>, <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin <spamassassin-talk.example.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk>, <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.geocrawler.com/redir-sf.php3?list=spamassassin-talk> X-Original-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 (PDT) On 28 Aug 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Dan Kohn <dan@dankohn.com> writes: > > > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself > > on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to > > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all > > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will > > quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill > > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise. > > I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a > score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle > for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base. I have to agree here. If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not support it, that's a serious problem with the business model; but that is nobody's problem but Habeas's. A possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of incentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt. I have yet to think of an incentive that fits the bill ... On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Justin Mason wrote: > I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's > points. > > - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is > assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the > Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :( IMO we have to fix > the high-scorers anyway -- no spam ever needs to score over 5 in our > scoring system, 5 == tagged anyway. This is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all its incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject at SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10). If some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1, there'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their thresholds to 5. On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Michael Moncur wrote: > But I agree that there needs to be more focus on eliminating rules that > frequently hit on newsletters. If any newsletters actually use the Habeas > mark, that will be one way to help. Newsletters won't use the mark. Habeas is priced way too high -- a factor of at least 20 over what the market will bear, IMO -- on a per-message basis for most typical mailing lists (Lockergnome, say) to afford it. On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > Habeus has come up with a very clever way to use existing law to battle > spam. It seems that at some point they could drop the licensing fee to > $1 or less and make all their income off suing the spammers for > copyright infringement. Sorry, that just can't work. If the Habeas mark actually becomes both widespread enough in non-spam, and effectively-enforced enough to be absent from spam, such that, e.g., SA could assign a positive score to messages that do NOT have it, then spammers are out of business and Habeas has no one to sue. There's nobody left to charge except the people who want (or are forced against their will because their mail won't get through otherwise) to use the mark. Conversely, if there are enough spammers forging the mark for Habeas to make all its income suing them, then the mark is useless for the purpose for which it was designed. Either way it seems to me that, after maybe a couple of lawsuits against real spammers and a lot of cease-and-desist letters to clueless Mom&Pops, then either (a) they're out of business, (b) they have to sell the rights to use the mark to increasingly questionable senders, or (c) they've both created and monopolized a market for "internet postage stamps" that everybody has to pay them for. The latter would be quite a coup if they [] could pull it off -- they do absolutely nothing useful, unless you consider threatening people with lawsuits useful, yet still collect a fee either directly or indirectly from everyone on the internet -- effectively we'll be paying them for the privilege of policing their trademark for them. I don't believe they'll ever get that far, but I don't particularly want to help them make it. [] And I use the term "they" loosely, because the whole company could consist of one lawyer if it really got to that point. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
56	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:42:35 2002 Reply-To: <macarthy@iol.ie> From: "Justin MacCarthy" <macarthy@iol.ie> To: "Ilug@Linux.Ie" <ilug@linux.ie> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:37:26 +0100 Message-Id: <OFEGLPGPCHPACFLJPAILIECKECAA.macarthy@iol.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <LAEAIGLCKFNPNHBDGGEGMEKICFAA.aj.mckee@nmtbmedia.com> Subject: [ILUG] Looking for a file / directory in zip file Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
57	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:52:52 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36DD43F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:52:51 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFlwZ18861 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:47:58 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31616; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:46:26 +0100 Received: from dspsrv.com (vir.dspsrv.com [193.120.211.34]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31563 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:45:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host vir.dspsrv.com [193.120.211.34] claimed to be dspsrv.com Received: from itg-gw.cr008.cwt.esat.net ([193.120.242.226] helo=waider.ie) by dspsrv.com with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17kRUR-00052Y-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:45:47 +0100 Message-Id: <3D6E409A.9030605@waider.ie> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:14 +0100 From: Waider <waider@waider.ie> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: macarthy@iol.ie Cc: "Ilug@Linux.Ie" <ilug@linux.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Looking for a file / directory in zip file References: <OFEGLPGPCHPACFLJPAILIECKECAA.macarthy@iol.ie> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.65.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Justin MacCarthy wrote: \| Is there a way to look for a particular file or directory in 100's of zip \| files?? \| Something like zgrep but for the filename instead of a word \| \| Thanks Justin \| \| probably there are more elegant solutions, but if your zips are in one directory you can do something like for i in *.zip do if unzip -v $i \| grep -q FILEYOUWANT then ~ echo $i fi done Cheers, Waider. - -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBPW5AmaHbXyzZsAb3AQH+qQgA1vnUjJUwGDa1yCRQd3vZAnhkCF0KDBBA o9MYq4CUg9cEzKALkTyZu4eOprhL50ReaICUGLMMEc5htU9zove4F+CSuvbAKKHL nx7xa6kk2V+LFnwS6hWpdQolCaT+4iGZZbdFwmyNAWb/IrEYB0R4gp05sitDOl5U RRlzYSM3IUYDrYpDUuX7Ta7bLvSdC1PpWSqy/wXphNIh7Bs2+eB9ERAujuqi6vJo MBichYb3f3teVCQUbxTcaMowjpmv/Xm3gdUlGrUFbpc2O7447Xi5uDfRexzzDoJT HlFS6OO2ZqzcMrtUYEgsfyqpaF1WuD38JoFpa2TmSyX74bBhxS8ecw== =KYCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
58	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:52:52 2002 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 From: Colin Whittaker <grimnar@redbrick.dcu.ie> To: Irish LUG list <ilug@linux.ie> Message-Id: <20020829165117.A16258@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> References: <20020829143111.GN1757@jinny.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020829143111.GN1757@jinny.ie>; from valen@tuatha.org on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:31:11PM +0100 Organization: North East Technologies Ltd. Subject: [ILUG] Re: serial console...not quite working Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk are: > > serial --unit=0 --speed=115200 > terminal --timeout=2 console serial > title=linux > root (hd0,4) > kernel /boot/bzImage ro root=/dev/md0 console=ttyS0,115200n81 ^ That 1 is unneeded and is probably whats upsetting your kernel we use "console=ttyS0,9600n8" but the 9600 is mainly cos we are a cisco shop and its to keepo everyhting the same. Colin -- "Design" is like a religion - too much of it makes you inflexibly and unpopular. Linus Torvalds -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
59	From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 17:03:22 2002 Message-Id: <006001c24f74$dc1acde0$e600000a@XENON16> From: "wintermute" <cout@eircom.net> To: <ilug@linux.ie> References: <LAEAIGLCKFNPNHBDGGEGMEKICFAA.aj.mckee@nmtbmedia.com> <3D6E40AA.9080606@diva.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] eircoms adsl modems Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:58:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie Precedence: bulk Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
60	From crackmice-admin@crackmice.com Thu Aug 29 17:13:43 2002 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: people we know on the web Message-Id: <0FF9F9D21D89554C8FF8930FFD39BD03A3F587@mir.eWare.com> Thread-Topic: What kind of celebrity are you? quiz Thread-Index: AcJPWriCN9BF8CjcT1CZSIoGcK21hQAG1WjQ From: "Gerry Carr" <Gerry.Carr@eWare.com> To: <mice@crackmice.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: crackmice-admin@crackmice.com Errors-To: crackmice-admin@crackmice.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mice@crackmice.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:07:35 +0100 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/nireland/ni_team.shtml first of a very short series. gerry _______________________________________________ Crackmice mailing list Crackmice@crackmice.com http://crackmice.com/mailman/listinfo/crackmice	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3532	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Tue Aug 27 00:00:58 2002 To: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: <20020826223448.0009A3F21@milou.dyndns.org> References: <20020826223448.0009A3F21@milou.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1977488590P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030401904.6628.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030833905.819ead@DeepEddy.Com> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:45:03 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:43 +0200 > > Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in > Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference > between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use > the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the > problem. Assuming it's my fault (which it probably is since nobody else has really been in there), it's most likely related to the number of sequences in a folder. I'd guess that something is either being called that shouldn't be or is being called more times than it should be. > Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity? Not that I'm aware of. If you look in the code, there are various places where the time function is called in order to see how long it took to do things. You'll probably want to borrow that technique. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1977488590P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9aq9vK9b4h5R0IUIRAkZrAJ4uCzn3j+5JlaqhDeEOVBMZlSATqwCdGO8z gy5px3yMpRraa8JkwHRwmM0= =fGBe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1977488590P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3533	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Tue Aug 27 02:35:11 2002 Message-Id: <200208270117.VAA02021@blackcomb.panasas.com> To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030810636.135787@DeepEddy.Com> Cc: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>, exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <1030378636.4138.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1030378636.4138.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> Comments: In-reply-to Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> message dated "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:17:15 -0400." From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:16:59 -0700 said: > Done. I also eliminated the msgs variable on the theory that simpler is > > better (I spent a lot of time hacking out the underbrush in exmh while > working on the sequences window). Just a big thank you to Chris for being willing to dive in and get very messy. The sequence management code is some of the very oldest in exmh, and surely suffered as features were added over several years. When this stabilizes, it will be a great excuse for a 2.6 release. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3534	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Tue Aug 27 10:04:58 2002 From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Anolther sequence related traceback In-Reply-To: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <16323.1030043119@munnari.OZ.AU> <6853.1030345218@munnari.OZ.AU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <12683.1030438738@munnari.OZ.AU> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:58:58 +0700 From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com> Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> \| Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll \| see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people can't use the code in normal ways. But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). That is: 0 ^h - Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a look at it later. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3535	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Wed Aug 28 10:46:06 2002 Message-Id: <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com> To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> Cc: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com>, exmh-workers@redhat.com Subject: Re: Anolther sequence related traceback In-Reply-To: <12683.1030438738@munnari.OZ.AU> References: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <16323.1030043119@munnari.OZ.AU> <6853.1030345218@munnari.OZ.AU> <12683.1030438738@munnari.OZ.AU> Comments: In-reply-to Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> message dated "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:58:58 +0700." From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:08:12 -0700 said: > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Co m> > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > \| Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll > \| see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). > > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people > can't use the code in normal ways. > > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). > > That is: 0 ^h - > > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. > > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a > look at it later. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN
3536	From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Wed Aug 28 10:46:45 2002 From: kchrist@lsil.com To: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com> Cc: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>, Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com>, exmh-workers@redhat.com Subject: Re: Anolther sequence related traceback Reply-To: Kevin.Christian@lsil.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:08:12 PDT." <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com> References: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <16323.1030043119@munnari.OZ.AU> <6853.1030345218@munnari.OZ.AU> <12683.1030438738@munnari.OZ.AU> <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com> Message-Id: <21691.1030507901@bhuta> Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:11:41 -0600 writes: > You can also duplicate thiswith > > MsgChange - noshow > > at the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence > parser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22 > is confused when asked to add/remove message "-" from a sequence. > > If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then > we could add > > if {![string is integer $select(sel)]} { > # bail out of message select mode > } > to the SelectTypein procedure. > > We can probably survive with > > if {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} { > #bail out of message select mode > } > > >>>Robert Elz said: > > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 > > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Co > m> > > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > > > \| Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll > > \| see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to > Brent). > > > > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things > > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people > > can't use the code in normal ways. > > > > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the > > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit > > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the > > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). > > > > That is: 0 ^h - > > > > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every > > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. > > > > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a > > look at it later. > > > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network > www.panasas.com > welch@panasas.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-workers mailing list > Exmh-workers@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers	spamassassin	ham	2026-06-28 19:12:15.809	EN

From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Thu Aug 22 12:36:23 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03E543C36 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:36:16 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.spamassassin.taint.org (listman.spamassassin.taint.org [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBYrZ04811 for <zzzz-exmh@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:34:53 +0100 Received: from listman.spamassassin.taint.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8386540858; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.spamassassin.taint.org Received: from int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org (int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CF8406D7 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7MBY7g11259 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:07 -0400 Received: from mx1.spamassassin.taint.org (mx1.spamassassin.taint.org [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MBY7Y11255 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:07 -0400 Received: from ratree.psu.ac.th ([202.28.97.6]) by mx1.spamassassin.taint.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MBIhl25223 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:18:55 -0400 Received: from delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (delta.coe.psu.ac.th [172.30.0.98]) by ratree.psu.ac.th (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBWel29762; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:32:40 +0700 (ICT) Received: from munnari.OZ.AU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBQPW13260; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700 (ICT) From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030377287.06fa6d@DeepEddy.Com> Cc: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <13258.1030015585@munnari.OZ.AU> X-Loop: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org Sender: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@spamassassin.taint.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.spamassassin.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.spamassassin.taint.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.spamassassin.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.spamassassin.taint.org/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:46 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030377287.06fa6d@DeepEddy.Com> Message-ID: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | I can't reproduce this error. For me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail). This is the debug log of the pick happening ... 18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury} 18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}} 18:19:04 Marking 1 hits 18:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression "int ... Note, if I run the pick command by hand ... delta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 1 hit That's where the "1 hit" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm using is ... delta$ pick -version pick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002] And the relevant part of my .mh_profile ... delta$ mhparam pick -seq sel -list Since the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the one that's explicit on the command line, from the search popup, and the one that comes from .mh_profile) do get created. kre ps: this is still using the version of the code form a day ago, I haven't been able to reach the cvs repository today (local routing issue I think). _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From irregulars-admin@tb.tf Thu Aug 22 14:23:39 2002 Return-Path: <irregulars-admin@tb.tf> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAE147C66 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:23:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from web.tb.tf (route-64-131-126-36.telocity.com [64.131.126.36]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDGOZ07922 for <zzzz-irr@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:16:24 +0100 Received: from web.tb.tf (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web.tb.tf (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDP9I16418; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:25:09 -0400 Received: from red.harvee.home (red [192.168.25.1] (may be forged)) by web.tb.tf (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDO4I16408 for <irregulars@tb.tf>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:24:04 -0400 Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by red.harvee.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDFBD29237 for <irregulars@tb.tf>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:12 -0400 Received: from [209.202.248.109] (slip-32-103-249-10.ma.us.prserv.net[32.103.249.10]) by prserv.net (out4) with ESMTP id <2002082213150220405qu8jce>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:15:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: @ (Unverified) Message-Id: <p04330137b98a941c58a8@[209.202.248.109]> To: undisclosed-recipient: ; From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [IRR] Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Sender: irregulars-admin@tb.tf Errors-To: irregulars-admin@tb.tf X-Beenthere: irregulars@tb.tf X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:irregulars-request@tb.tf?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:irregulars@tb.tf> List-Subscribe: <http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars>, <mailto:irregulars-request@tb.tf?subject=subscribe> List-Id: New home of the TBTF Irregulars mailing list <irregulars.tb.tf> List-Unsubscribe: <http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars>, <mailto:irregulars-request@tb.tf?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://tb.tf/mailman/private/irregulars/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:25 -0400 Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Already the most prolific virus ever, Klez continues to wreak havoc. Andrew Brandt >>From the September 2002 issue of PC World magazine Posted Thursday, August 01, 2002 The Klez worm is approaching its seventh month of wriggling across the Web, making it one of the most persistent viruses ever. And experts warn that it may be a harbinger of new viruses that use a combination of pernicious approaches to go from PC to PC. Antivirus software makers Symantec and McAfee both report more than 2000 new infections daily, with no sign of letup at press time. The British security firm MessageLabs estimates that 1 in every 300 e-mail messages holds a variation of the Klez virus, and says that Klez has already surpassed last summer's SirCam as the most prolific virus ever. And some newer Klez variants aren't merely nuisances--they can carry other viruses in them that corrupt your data. ... http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,103259,00.asp _______________________________________________ Irregulars mailing list Irregulars@tb.tf http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars

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From Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 14:44:26 2002 Return-Path: <Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC69D47C66 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:44:25 +0100 (IST) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.90]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MDcOZ08504 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:25 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52736-1030023506-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 13:38:26 -0000 X-Sender: Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 13:38:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 48882 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 13:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 13:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk) (129.215.80.253) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 13:38:24 -0000 Received: from ee.ed.ac.uk (sxs@dunblane [129.215.34.86]) by postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g7MDcNi28645 for <forteana@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3D64E94E.8060301@ee.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Scottish Microelectronics Centre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020628 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com References: <3D64F325.11319.61EA648@localhost> From: Stewart Smith <Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk> X-Yahoo-Profile: stochasticus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:38:22 +0100 Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > in adding cream to spaghetti carbonara, which has the same effect on pasta as > making a pizza a deep-pie; I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and ask what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream? I've never seen a recipe that hasn't used this. Personally I use low fat creme fraiche because it works quite nicely but the only time I've seen an supposedly authentic recipe for carbonara it was identical to mine (cream, eggs and lots of fresh parmesan) except for the creme fraiche. Stew -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 14:54:39 2002 Return-Path: <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FC743F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MDoxZ08960 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:59 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52737-1030024261-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 13:51:01 -0000 X-Sender: martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 13:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 71894 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 13:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 13:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO haymarket.ed.ac.uk) (129.215.128.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 13:51:00 -0000 Received: from srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk (srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk [129.215.117.0]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDow310334 for <forteana@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from EMS-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 22 Aug 02 14:50:58 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by EMS-SRV0 (Mercury 1.44); 22 Aug 02 14:50:31 +0000 Organization: Management School To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <3D64FA3C.13325.63A5960@localhost> Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3D64E94E.8060301@ee.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-Description: Mail message body From: "Martin Adamson" <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:50:31 +0100 Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I just had to jump in here as Carbonara is one of my favourites to make and > ask > what the hell are you supposed to use instead of cream? Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta, really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta cooks the egg. That's my understanding. Martin ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 14:54:40 2002 Return-Path: <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D7B47C66 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:40 +0100 (IST) Received: from n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.66]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MDt8Z09193 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:55:10 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52738-1030024499-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 13:55:03 -0000 X-Sender: martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 13:54:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 43039 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 13:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 13:54:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO haymarket.ed.ac.uk) (129.215.128.53) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 13:54:58 -0000 Received: from srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk (srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk [129.215.117.0]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDsv311745 for <forteana@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from EMS-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 22 Aug 02 14:54:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by EMS-SRV0 (Mercury 1.44); 22 Aug 02 14:54:29 +0000 Organization: Management School To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <3D64FB27.18538.63DEC17@localhost> Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-Description: Mail message body From: "Martin Adamson" <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:54:25 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] Playboy wants to go out with a bang Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dogma.slashnull.org id g7MDt8Z09193 The Scotsman - 22 August 2002 Playboy wants to go out with a bang AN AGEING Berlin playboy has come up with an unusual offer to lure women into his bed - by promising the last woman he sleeps with an inheritance of 250,000 (�160,000). Rolf Eden, 72, a Berlin disco owner famous for his countless sex partners, said he could imagine no better way to die than in the arms of an attractive young woman - preferably under 30. "I put it all in my last will and testament - the last woman who sleeps with me gets all the money," Mr Eden told Bild newspaper. "I want to pass away in the most beautiful moment of my life. First a lot of fun with a beautiful woman, then wild sex, a final orgasm - and it will all end with a heart attack and then I�m gone." Mr Eden, who is selling his nightclub this year, said applications should be sent in quickly because of his age. "It could end very soon," he said. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 15:05:07 2002 Return-Path: <Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF86747C67 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:05:01 +0100 (IST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7ME1MZ09279 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:22 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52739-1030024883-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:23 -0000 X-Sender: Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 14:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 45116 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 14:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk) (129.215.80.253) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:22 -0000 Received: from ee.ed.ac.uk (sxs@dunblane [129.215.34.86]) by postbox.ee.ed.ac.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g7ME1Li02942 for <forteana@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <3D64EEB0.2050502@ee.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Scottish Microelectronics Centre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020628 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com References: <3D64FA3C.13325.63A5960@localhost> From: Stewart Smith <Stewart.Smith@ee.ed.ac.uk> X-Yahoo-Profile: stochasticus MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [zzzzteana] Nothing like mama used to make Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Adamson wrote: > > Isn't it just basically a mixture of beaten egg and bacon (or pancetta, > really)? You mix in the raw egg to the cooked pasta and the heat of the pasta > cooks the egg. That's my understanding. > You're probably right, mine's just the same but with the cream added to the eggs. I guess I should try it without. Actually looking on the internet for a recipe I found this one from possibly one of the scariest people I've ever seen, and he's a US Congressman: <http://www.virtualcities.com/ons/me/gov/megvjb1.htm> That's one of the worst non-smiles ever. Stew ps. Apologies if any of the list's Maine residents voted for this man, you won't do it again once you've seen this pic. -- Stewart Smith Scottish Microelectronics Centre, University of Edinburgh. http://www.ee.ed.ac.uk/~sxs/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk Thu Aug 22 15:05:07 2002 Return-Path: <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0C347C68 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:05:03 +0100 (IST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.102]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7ME1rZ09290 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:54 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52740-1030024915-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:55 -0000 X-Sender: martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 14:01:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 59494 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 14:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO haymarket.ed.ac.uk) (129.215.128.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 14:01:54 -0000 Received: from srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk (srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk [129.215.117.0]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7ME1r313981 for <forteana@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from EMS-SRV0/SpoolDir by srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 22 Aug 02 15:01:52 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by EMS-SRV0 (Mercury 1.44); 22 Aug 02 15:01:34 +0000 Organization: Management School To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <3D64FCD2.20705.6447320@localhost> Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-Description: Mail message body From: "Martin Adamson" <martin@srv0.ems.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:01:33 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] Meaningful sentences Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dogma.slashnull.org id g7ME1rZ09290 The Scotsman Thu 22 Aug 2002 Meaningful sentences Tracey Lawson If you ever wanted to look like "one of the most dangerous inmates in prison history", as one judge described Charles Bronson, now�s your chance. Bronson - the serial hostage taker, not the movie star - has written a health and fitness guide in which he shares some of the secrets behind his legendary muscle power. Solitary Fitness - a title which bears testament to the fact that Bronson, 48, has spent 24 of his 28 prison years in solitary confinement - explains how he has turned himself into a lean, mean, fitness machine while living 23 hours a day in a space just 12 feet by eight feet, on a diet of scrubs grub and at virtually no cost. The book is aimed at those who want to get fabulously fit without spending a fortune on gym memberships, protein supplements or designer trainers, and starts with a fierce attack on some of the expensive myths churned out by the exercise industry. "I pick up a fitness mag, I start to laugh and I wipe my arse with it," is the opening paragraph penned by Bronson. "It�s a joke and a big con and they call me a criminal!" You can�t help feeling he has a point. This is not the first book that Bronson has written from behind bars, having already published Birdman Opens His Mind, which features drawings and poems created by Bronson while in prison. And he is not the first prisoner to discover creative expression while residing at Her Majesty�s pleasure. Jimmy Boyle, the Scots sculptor and novelist, discovered his artistic talents when he was sent to Barlinnie Prison�s famous special unit, which aimed to help inmates put their violent pasts behind them by teaching them how to express their emotions artistically. Boyle was sentenced to life for the murder of "Babs" Rooney in 1967. Once released, he moved to Edinburgh where he has become a respected artist. His first novel, Hero of the Underworld, was published in 1999 and his autobiography, A Sense of Freedom, was made into an award-winning film. Hugh Collins was jailed for life in 1977 for the murder of William Mooney in Glasgow, and in his first year in Barlinnie prison stabbed three prison officers, earning him an extra seven-year sentence. But, after being transferred to the same unit that Boyle attended, he learned to sculpt and developed an interest in art. He later published Autobiography of a Murderer, a frank account of Glasgow�s criminal culture in the 1960s, which received critical praise. And Lord Archer doesn�t seem to have had trouble continuing to write the books that have made him millions while in jail. He recently signed a three-book deal with Macmillan publishers worth a reported �10 million, and is no doubt scribbling away as we speak. So why is it that men like Collins, Bronson and Boyle, who can be so destructive towards society on the outside, can become so creative once stuck on the inside? Steve Richards, Bronson�s publisher, has published many books about criminal figures and believes the roots of this phenomenon are both pragmatic and profound. He says: "Prison is sometimes the first time some criminals will ever have known a stable environment, and this can be the first time they have the chance to focus on their creative skills. "It may also be the first time that they have really had the chance of an education, if their early years have been hard. It could be the first time anyone has offered them the chance to explore their creative talents." However, Richards believes the reasons are also deeper than that. He says: "Once they are behind bars, the cold light of day hits them, and they examine the very essence of who they are. "They ask themselves, am I a man who wants to be remembered for violence? Or am I a man who can contribute to society, who can be remembered for something good?" Bronson - who was born Michael Gordon Peterson, but changed his name to that of the Hollywood star of the Death Wish films - has, so far, been remembered mainly for things bad. He was originally jailed for seven years for armed robbery in 1974, and has had a series of sentences added to his original term over the years as a result of attacking people in prison. In 2000 he was jailed for life after being convicted of holding a teacher hostage for nearly two days during a jail siege. Standing five feet ten and a half inches tall and weighing 210lbs, he is renowned for his strength. He has bent metal cell doors with his bare hands and does up to 3,000 - yes, 3,000 - press-ups a day. As he puts it: "I can hit a man 20 times in four seconds, I can push 132 press ups in 60 seconds." But judging by our current obsession with health and exercise, Solitary Fitness might be the book which will see Bronson�s face sitting on every coffee table in the land. He might be the man to give us the dream body which so many so-called fitness gurus promise but fail to motivate us into. Because Bronson has learned to use words as powerfully as he can use his fists. "All this crap about high-protein drinks, pills, diets, it�s just a load of bollocks and a multi-million-pound racket," he writes, in what can only be described as a refreshingly honest style. "We can all be fat lazy bastards, it�s our choice, I�m sick of hearing and reading about excuses, if you stuff your face with shit you become shit, that�s logical to me." As motivational mantras go, that might be just the kick up the, er, backside we all needed. Solitary Fitness by Charles Bronson is published by Mirage Publishing and will be available in bookstores from October at �7.99 ------------------------ Yahoo! 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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Thu Aug 22 12:36:23 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03E543C36 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:36:16 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBYrZ04811 for <zzzz-exmh@example.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:34:53 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8386540858; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CF8406D7 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7MBY7g11259 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:07 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MBY7Y11255 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:34:07 -0400 Received: from ratree.psu.ac.th ([202.28.97.6]) by mx1.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MBIhl25223 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:18:55 -0400 Received: from delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (delta.coe.psu.ac.th [172.30.0.98]) by ratree.psu.ac.th (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBWel29762; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:32:40 +0700 (ICT) Received: from munnari.OZ.AU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MBQPW13260; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700 (ICT) From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030377287.06fa6d@DeepEddy.Com> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <13258.1030015585@munnari.OZ.AU> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:26:25 +0700 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:54:46 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030377287.06fa6d@DeepEddy.Com> Message-ID: <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | I can't reproduce this error. For me it is very repeatable... (like every time, without fail). This is the debug log of the pick happening ... 18:19:03 Pick_It {exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace} {4852-4852 -sequence mercury} 18:19:03 exec pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 18:19:04 Ftoc_PickMsgs {{1 hit}} 18:19:04 Marking 1 hits 18:19:04 tkerror: syntax error in expression "int ... Note, if I run the pick command by hand ... delta$ pick +inbox -list -lbrace -lbrace -subject ftp -rbrace -rbrace 4852-4852 -sequence mercury 1 hit That's where the "1 hit" comes from (obviously). The version of nmh I'm using is ... delta$ pick -version pick -- nmh-1.0.4 [compiled on fuchsia.cs.mu.OZ.AU at Sun Mar 17 14:55:56 ICT 2002] And the relevant part of my .mh_profile ... delta$ mhparam pick -seq sel -list Since the pick command works, the sequence (actually, both of them, the one that's explicit on the command line, from the search popup, and the one that comes from .mh_profile) do get created. kre ps: this is still using the version of the code form a day ago, I haven't been able to reach the cvs repository today (local routing issue I think). _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 22 15:25:29 2002 Return-Path: <spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48D543F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:28 +0100 (IST) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MEI8Z09886 for <zzzz-sa@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:18:08 +0100 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17hskl-0002W7-00; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:16:03 -0700 Received: from mail-gr-oh.networksonline.com ([65.163.204.6]) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17hskN-0008Ox-00 for <spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:15:39 -0700 Received: from mordor (mordor.networksonline.com [65.163.204.19]) by mail-gr-oh.networksonline.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C06C537794 for <spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <001001c249e6$863c4e00$13cca341@networksonline.com> From: "NOI Administrator" <admin@networksonline.com> To: <spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [SAtalk] SA CGI Configurator Scripts Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-Beenthere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@example.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net> List-Subscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk>, <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin <spamassassin-talk.example.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk>, <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.geocrawler.com/redir-sf.php3?list=spamassassin-talk> X-Original-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:16:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:16:36 -0400 I have been trying to research via SA mirrors and search engines if a canned script exists giving clients access to their user_prefs options via a web-based CGI interface. Numerous ISPs provide this feature to clients, but so far I can find nothing. Our configuration uses Amavis-Postfix and ClamAV for virus filtering and Procmail with SpamAssassin for spam filtering. I would prefer not to have to write a script myself, but will appreciate any suggestions. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk

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From spamassassin-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 22 15:25:29 2002 Return-Path: <spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2D043F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MENlZ09984 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:23:47 +0100 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17hsof-00042r-00; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:20:05 -0700 Received: from vivi.uptime.at ([62.116.87.11] helo=mail.uptime.at) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17hsoM-0000Ge-00 for <spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:19:47 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (chello062178142216.4.14.vie.surfer.at [62.178.142.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.uptime.at (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MEI7Vp022036 for <spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:18:07 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 From: David H=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=hn <dh@uptime.at> To: <spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net> Message-Id: <B98ABFA4.1F87%dh@uptime.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Trusted: YES X-From-Laptop: YES Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailscanner: Nothing found, baby Subject: [SAdev] Interesting approach to Spam handling.. Sender: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-Beenthere: spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:spamassassin-devel-request@example.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net> List-Subscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel>, <mailto:spamassassin-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> List-Id: SpamAssassin Developers <spamassassin-devel.example.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel>, <mailto:spamassassin-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.geocrawler.com/redir-sf.php3?list=spamassassin-devel> X-Original-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:48 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:48 +0200 Hello, have you seen and discussed this article and his approach? Thank you http://www.paulgraham.com/spam.html -- "Hell, there are no rules here-- we're trying to accomplish something." -- Thomas Alva Edison ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel

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From spamassassin-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 22 16:27:25 2002 Return-Path: <spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2DD43F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:27:24 +0100 (IST) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MFJHZ11964 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:19:17 +0100 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17htfq-0001G0-00; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:15:02 -0700 Received: from www.ctyme.com ([209.237.228.10] helo=darwin.ctyme.com) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17htfa-0006Zq-00 for <spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:47 -0700 Received: from m206-56.dsl.tsoft.com ([198.144.206.56] helo=perkel.com) by darwin.ctyme.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17htgP-0004te-00; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:15:37 -0700 Message-Id: <3D64FFC4.5010908@perkel.com> From: Marc Perkel <marc@perkel.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Theo Van Dinter <felicity@kluge.net> Cc: spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [SAdev] Live Rule Updates after Release ??? References: <3D64F4E8.7040000@perkel.com> <20020822151134.GD6369@kluge.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-devel-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-Beenthere: spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:spamassassin-devel-request@example.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:spamassassin-devel@example.sourceforge.net> List-Subscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel>, <mailto:spamassassin-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> List-Id: SpamAssassin Developers <spamassassin-devel.example.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel>, <mailto:spamassassin-devel-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.geocrawler.com/redir-sf.php3?list=spamassassin-devel> X-Original-Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:14:12 -0700 Yes - great minds think alike. But even withput eval rules it would be very useful. It would allow us to respond quickly to spammer's tricks. Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 07:27:52AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote: > >>Has anyone though of the idea of live updates of rules after release? The >>idea being that the user can run a cron job once a week or so and get the >>new default rule set. This would allow us to react faster to: > > > I suggested this a few months ago. I don't remember the details of what > came out of it except that it would only be useful for non-eval rules > since those require code changes. > ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: OSDN - Tired of that same old cell phone? Get a new here for FREE! https://www.inphonic.com/r.asp?r=sourceforge1&refcode1=vs3390 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-devel mailing list Spamassassin-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-devel

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 16:27:21 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A28A43F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:27:21 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MFQmZ12280 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:26:48 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07188; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:32 +0100 Received: from moe.jinny.ie ([193.120.171.3]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07145 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host [193.120.171.3] claimed to be moe.jinny.ie Received: from jlooney.jinny.ie (unknown [193.120.171.2]) by moe.jinny.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938BD7FC46; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:23 +0100 (IST) Received: by jlooney.jinny.ie (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4F57189D; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:45 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:25:45 +0100 From: "John P. Looney" <valen@tuatha.org> To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org Cc: ilug@linux.ie Message-Id: <20020822152545.GJ3670@jinny.ie> Reply-To: valen@tuatha.org Mail-Followup-To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, ilug@linux.ie References: <200208172056.g7HKuHm05754@raq.iceblink.org> <1029624922.14769.119.camel@atherton> <20020819140815.GY26818@jinny.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020819140815.GY26818@jinny.ie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Os: Red Hat Linux 7.3/Linux 2.4.18-3 X-Url: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen X-Gnupg-Publickey: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen/public.asc Subject: [ILUG] Re: Problems with RAID1 on cobalt raq3 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 03:08:16PM +0100, John P. Looney mentioned: > This is likely because to get it to boot, like the cobalt, I'm actually > passing root=/dev/hda5 to the kernel, not /dev/md0. Just to solve this...the reason I was booting the box with root=/dev/hda5, not /dev/md0 was because /dev/md0 wasn't booting - it would barf with 'can't find init'. It turns out that this is because I was populating md0 with tar. Which seems to have 'issues' with crosslinked files - for instance, it was trying to make a hard link of glibc.so to hda - and failing. It was only as I did it again with a friend present, that he spotted the errors, and queried them. We noticed that the hard linked files just didn't exist on the new rootfs. When we duplicated the filesystems with dump instead of tar, it worked fine, I was able to tell lilo to use root=/dev/md0 and everything worked. Woohoo. Kate -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Thu Aug 22 16:37:36 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AF343F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:37:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.spamassassin.taint.org (listman.spamassassin.taint.org [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MFZLZ12577 for <zzzz-exmh@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:35:22 +0100 Received: from listman.spamassassin.taint.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F5140D92; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.spamassassin.taint.org Received: from int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org (int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EED940E00 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.spamassassin.taint.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7MFPwB25414 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:25:58 -0400 Received: from mx1.spamassassin.taint.org (mx1.spamassassin.taint.org [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MFPwY25410 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:25:58 -0400 Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com (IDENT:+BhY7EqRf5fwVT64o4aVh7UUHF1egIL+@jump-austin.vircio.com [192.12.3.99]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MFBTl04916 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 4141 invoked by uid 104); 22 Aug 2002 15:25:57 -0000 Received: from cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com by localhost.localdomain with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4218. . 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Processed in 0.327895 secs); 22/08/2002 10:25:57 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (@[10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com>) by austin-jump.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; 22 Aug 2002 15:25:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 13189 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 15:25:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) (?AL1b20iTMIHwZbG9ZCdQYQG3nsIe5jbe?@[127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com>) by localhost (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; 22 Aug 2002 15:25:53 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>, exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1317289252P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030029953.13171.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.57 Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030461953.beb807@DeepEddy.Com> X-Loop: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org Sender: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@spamassassin.taint.org X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@spamassassin.taint.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.spamassassin.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.spamassassin.taint.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.spamassassin.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.spamassassin.taint.org/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:25:52 -0500 --==_Exmh_-1317289252P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:40:39 -0500 > > > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> > > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:17:45 -0500 > > > > Ouch...I'll get right on it. > > > > > From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> > > > Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:30:01 +0700 > > > > > > Any chance of having that lengthen instead? I like all my exmh stuff > > > in nice columns (fits the display better). That is, I use the detache > d > > > folder list, one column. The main exmh window takes up full screen, > > > top to bottom, but less than half the width, etc... > > I thought about that. The first order approximation would be to just add > using pack .... -side top instead of pack ... -side left, however, since their > each a different width, it would look funny. I've done this. It's not as pretty as I think it should be, but it works. I'm going to leave the cosmetic issues to others. When I update the documentation, I'll add this to the exmh.TODO file. I'm leaving for a 2 1/2 week vacation in a week, so this is the last new functionality I'm going to add for a while. Also, I now have pretty much everything in there that I want for my own use, so I'm probably pretty much done. I'll work on bug fixes and documentation before my vacation, and hopefully do nothing more afterwards. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1317289252P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ZQJ/K9b4h5R0IUIRAiPuAJwL4mUus5whLNQZC8MsDlGpEdKNrACcDfZH PcGgN9frLIM+C5Z3vagi2wE= =qJoJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1317289252P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 22 16:37:41 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB9843F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:37:40 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MFbVZ12617 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:37:32 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D5029409A; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from sunserver.permafrost.net (u172n16.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.172.16]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3703F294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.179] (helo=permafrost.net) by sunserver.permafrost.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17htxj-0008Ad-00 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:33:31 -0300 Message-Id: <3D6505C3.2020405@permafrost.net> From: Owen Byrne <owen@permafrost.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: The case for spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:39:47 -0300 SpamAssassin is hurting democracy! Owen --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/opinion/3900215.htm Internet can level the political playing field By Mike McCurry and Larry Purpuro NOT many months from now, people across the country will experience one of the great recurring features of American democracy. At shopping malls, on factory floors, at church socials and even on our front stoops, we will be approached by individuals who want to represent us in public office. While chances are high that we won't know them personally, they will walk up to us, offer a handshake and a flier and ask for our votes. Just as technology is affecting every other area of communication, it has begun to affect the way political candidates communicate with voters. In this year's GOP gubernatorial primary, California Secretary of State Bill Jones, who faced better-funded candidates, acquired the e-mail addresses of more than a million potential California voters and sent each an unsolicited e-mail asking for support. That day, he might have chosen any of the more traditional -- and more expensive -- methods of contacting voters, such as direct mail, radio spots or TV ads. But he spent only about 2 cents per message, instead of 35 cents or more per message for direct mail or in another medium. Had Jones chosen direct mail, radio or TV, that communication would have been equally ``unsolicited,'' as defined in the e-mail world. Few voters would have ``opted in'' to receive campaign information from Jones through any of those channels. The response to Jones' e-mail effort, however, was swift and intense. He was lambasted by anti-spam advocates, and media coverage was almost entirely negative. To be fair, some of Jones' tactics could have been refined. He used a less-than-perfect list and no standard-practice ``paid for'' disclaimer in the message. His detractors, however, attacked him not for his tactical miscues but because the e-mail was sent unsolicited. In fact, Jones' online campaign may have been his most visible asset. In an era of cynicism toward money in politics -- money typically spent on other unsolicited communication mediums -- Jones tried to level the playing field. No one likes commercial spam. It is irrelevant and untargeted and can be highly intrusive and even offensive. But as a sophisticated society, it's time to differentiate commercial spam from very different unsolicited e-mail sent by political candidates to voters. The debate is particularly relevant in light of legislation in Congress that would constitute the first federal law to directly address spam. We believe e-mail is no more intrusive than direct mail, telemarketing or TV advertising when it comes to politicians seeking to reach voters. A simple link in good e-mail campaigns allows recipients to opt out of future mailings. Direct mail takes at least a phone call or stamp to be taken off a list, and viewers must repeatedly endure TV ads. When a candidate lacks a large campaign war chest, he or she can use the Internet to provide constituents with information to better prepare them to perform their civic duty of casting educated votes. With more than 60 percent of all potential voters in this country possessing e-mail accounts, it makes sense that political candidates use this medium. Candidates might avoid some of the tactical problems encountered by the Jones campaign if they use the technologies available today that better ensure quality of e-mail lists and target content to specific recipient groups. But the broader point remains. When a political candidate sends a voter an e-mail, that recipient can choose to delete the message without opening it, unsubscribe from the list, read it or even reply and engage the sender. That choice should belong to the voter -- not to anti-spam advocates whose efforts are better focused on commercial e-mail. Political candidates should be free to communicate with voters as best they can, and let voters decide what to do with that information. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike McCurry, former press secretary for President Clinton, is CEO of an advocacy management and communications software company. Larry Purpuro, the former Republican National Committee deputy chief of staff, is founder and president of a political e-marketing firm. This was written for the Los Angeles Times. http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From iiu-admin@taint.org Thu Aug 22 17:08:44 2002 Return-Path: <iiu-admin@taint.org> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B989743F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:08:43 +0100 (IST) Received: from dogma.slashnull.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MG0MZ13369; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:00:22 +0100 Received: from hawk.dcu.ie (mail.dcu.ie [136.206.1.5]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MFxBZ13285 for <iiu@taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:59:11 +0100 Received: from dcu.ie (136.206.21.115) by hawk.dcu.ie (6.0.040) id 3D6203D3000136AD for iiu@taint.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:59:17 +0100 Message-Id: <3D650A2D.1000301@dcu.ie> From: Bernard Michael Tyers <bernard.tyers@dcu.ie> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: ga, en-ie, eu, en-us, de-at, as MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iiu <iiu@taint.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [IIU] Eircom aDSL Nat'ing Sender: iiu-admin@taint.org Errors-To: iiu-admin@taint.org X-Beenthere: iiu@iiu.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: iiu@taint.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu>, <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: Irish Internet Users <iiu.iiu.taint.org> List-Post: <mailto:iiu@iiu.taint.org> List-Help: <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu>, <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=subscribe> List-Archive: <http://iiu.taint.org/pipermail/iiu/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:58:37 +0100 Hi all, apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but), but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed? and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs) any help pointers would be helpful, cheers -- rgrds, Bernard -- Bernard Tyers * National Centre for Sensor Research * P:353-1-700-5273 * E: bernard.tyers@dcu.ie * W: www.physics.dcu.ie/~bty * L:N117 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu

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From robert.chambers@baesystems.com Thu Aug 22 17:19:36 2002 Return-Path: <robert.chambers@baesystems.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2AD843F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:26 +0100 (IST) Received: from n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.92]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MGBSZ13944 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:11:28 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52742-1030032689-zzzz=spamassassin.taint.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:29 -0000 X-Sender: robert.chambers@baesystems.com X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 71045 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.74) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.174] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 16:11:27 -0000 To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <ak32ff+rh64@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <000701c248f5$1cd98500$508827d9@b5w3e9> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "uncle_slacky" <robert.chambers@baesystems.com> X-Originating-Ip: 20.138.254.2 X-Yahoo-Profile: uncle_slacky MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:11:27 -0000 Subject: [zzzzteana] Re: Australian Catholic Kiddie Perv Steps Aside Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- In forteana@y..., "D.McMann" <dmcmann@b...> wrote: > Robert Moaby, 33, who sent death threats to staff, was also jailed > for hoarding indecent pictures of children on his home computer. > ========= > > Hmm, if I didn't trust our government and secret police, I could look at > this another way.... There is a bit of circumstantial evidence - apparently some MT listers were approached by him (via email) - a little research in dejanews/google groups showed a number of messages from him, clearly hoping to contact girls, appearing in "alt.teens" and similar groups - I just tried a Google Groups search on "Robert Moaby" and some of them came top of the list. Note for Marie - "MT" stands for Mark Thomas, a slightly slimmer, UK version of your Michael Moore - the mailing list is named after him. Rob ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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Return-Path: anthony@interlink.com.au Delivery-Date: Sat Sep 7 04:44:50 2002 From: anthony@interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 13:44:50 +1000 Subject: [Spambayes] understanding high false negative rate In-Reply-To: <200209062026.g86KQqJ03393@pcp02138704pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <200209070344.g873io020676@localhost.localdomain> > Looks like your ham corpus by and large has To: jeremy@alum.mit.edu in > a header while your spam corpus by and large doesn't. But this one > does. Interestingly, for me, one of the highest value spam indicators was the name of the mail host that the spam was delivered to, in the To: line. So mail to info@gin.elax2.ekorp.com was pretty much a dead cert for the filters. -- Anthony Baxter <anthony@interlink.com.au> It's never too late to have a happy childhood.

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From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Aug 28 18:28:06 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52A143F99 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:28:06 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7SHLxZ02684 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:22:13 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631EE29422C; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from jamesr.best.vwh.net (jamesr.best.vwh.net [192.220.76.165]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 81DA529409A for <fork@xent.com>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 53311 invoked by uid 19621); 28 Aug 2002 17:20:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avalon) ([64.125.200.18]) (envelope-sender <jamesr@best.com>) by 192.220.76.165 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <fork@xent.com>; 28 Aug 2002 17:20:03 -0000 Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies From: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> To: fork@example.com In-Reply-To: <3D6BA1A1.90306@barrera.org> References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0208270202170.7689-100000@watcher.mithral.com> <3D6BA1A1.90306@barrera.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Message-Id: <1030556128.7585.29.camel@avalon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 28 Aug 2002 10:35:27 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.1 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Tue, 2002-08-27 at 08:58, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > > C is more reliable than Java?? Both are reliable. "Reliability" is more a function of the software engineer. I've written complicated mission-critical server software in Java that will run without a hiccup as long as the Unix box it is sitting on is running. Same with C. For processes that are running months at a time, and in my case constantly touching databases and doing lots of low-level network stuff, reliability is obtained by making sure every conceivable problem (and problems you didn't conceive of) recovers to a clean/safe process state so that things keep running i.e. it is a design/programming issue. That said, we usually prototype serious systems in Java and then re-implement them in C if we have time. Java doesn't scale well as a language for server apps, though not for the reasons usually offered. The problem is that for high-end server apps, you really need fairly detailed and low-level control of system resources to get around bottlenecks that show up relatively quickly in languages that don't give you access to it. You can squeeze several times the performance out of a C server program than a Java one simply by being able to finely tune (or more frequently, bypass) the system resource management. Nonetheless, this is not a significant factor for most applications you could conceivably develop in either language, as most aren't limited by raw performance scalability. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:19:31 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6622747C69 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:23 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MGJoZ14241 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:50 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09942; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:18:58 +0100 Received: from smtpstore.strencom.net (ns1.strencom.net [217.75.0.66]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09917 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:18:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host ns1.strencom.net [217.75.0.66] claimed to be smtpstore.strencom.net Received: from enterprise.wasptech.com (mail.wasptech.com [217.75.2.106]) by smtpstore.strencom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C105CEE88; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:31:15 +0000 (AZOST) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:13:01 +0100 Message-Id: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-Tnef-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Thread-Index: AcJJ9p29v19nVAypRv25aSssWGeNQAAABtrw From: "Fergal Moran" <fergal.moran@wasptech.com> To: "Kiall Mac Innes" <kiall@redpie.com>, "ILUG" <ilug@linux.ie> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lugh.tuatha.org id RAA09917 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kiall Mac Innes [mailto:kiall@redpie.com] > Sent: 22 August 2002 17:23 > To: ILUG > Subject: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. > > > Can someone explain what type of operating system Solaris > is... as ive never seen or used it i dont know wheather to > get a server from Sun or from DELL i would prefer a linux > based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but im not > sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely > different operating system? can someone explain... > > Kiall Mac Innes > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for > (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From Steve_Burt@cursor-system.com Thu Aug 22 12:46:39 2002 Return-Path: <Steve_Burt@cursor-system.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE12E43C34 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:46:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MBkTZ05087 for <zzzz@example.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:46:29 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52726-1030016790-zzzz=example.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 11:46:30 -0000 X-Sender: steve.burt@cursor-system.com X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 11:46:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 11764 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 11:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 11:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailgateway.cursor-system.com) (62.189.7.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 11:46:29 -0000 Received: from exchange1.cps.local (unverified) by mailgateway.cursor-system.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.10) with ESMTP id <T5cde81f695ac1d100407d@mailgateway.cursor-system.com> for <forteana@yahoogroups.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:14:10 +0100 Received: by exchange1.cps.local with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <PXX6AT23>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:46:27 +0100 Message-Id: <5EC2AD6D2314D14FB64BDA287D25D9EF12B4F6@exchange1.cps.local> To: "'zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com'" <zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Egroups-From: Steve Burt <steve.burt@cursor-system.com> From: Steve Burt <Steve_Burt@cursor-system.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: pyruse MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:46:18 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] RE: Alexander Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin A posted: Tassos Papadopoulos, the Greek sculptor behind the plan, judged that the limestone of Mount Kerdylio, 70 miles east of Salonika and not far from the Mount Athos monastic community, was ideal for the patriotic sculpture. As well as Alexander's granite features, 240 ft high and 170 ft wide, a museum, a restored amphitheatre and car park for admiring crowds are planned --------------------- So is this mountain limestone or granite? If it's limestone, it'll weather pretty fast. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:19:25 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD34B47C67 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:19:21 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MGHJZ14177 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:17:19 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09581; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:16:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from redpie.com (redpie.com [216.122.135.208] (may be forged)) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09518 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:16:08 +0100 Received: from justin ([194.46.28.223]) by redpie.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05201 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kiall Mac Innes" <kiall@redpie.com> To: "ILUG" <ilug@linux.ie> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:23:15 +0100 Message-Id: <BCEFLMCEIJHPCPLGADJIGEEFCAAA.kiall@redpie.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Subject: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie Can someone explain what type of operating system Solaris is... as ive never seen or used it i dont know wheather to get a server from Sun or from DELL i would prefer a linux based server and Sun seems to be the one for that but im not sure if Solaris is a distro of linux or a completely different operating system? can someone explain... Kiall Mac Innes -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:45:53 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BC143F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:45:53 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MGbKZ14933 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:37:20 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10694; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:27 +0100 Received: from moe.jinny.ie ([193.120.171.3]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10669 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:20 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host [193.120.171.3] claimed to be moe.jinny.ie Received: from jlooney.jinny.ie (unknown [193.120.171.2]) by moe.jinny.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C906A7FC48 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:19 +0100 (IST) Received: by jlooney.jinny.ie (Postfix, from userid 500) id 09E7E8B1; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:42 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:36:41 +0100 From: "John P. Looney" <valen@tuatha.org> To: ILUG <ilug@linux.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. Message-Id: <20020822163641.GN3670@jinny.ie> Reply-To: ilug@linux.ie Mail-Followup-To: ILUG <ilug@linux.ie> References: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Os: Red Hat Linux 7.3/Linux 2.4.18-3 X-Url: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen X-Gnupg-Publickey: http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~valen/public.asc Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned: > In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail. Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to other unixen like HPUX and SCO. Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract, they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc. If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc, though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore. You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK, who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux, that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time. John -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 22 17:45:54 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B1343F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:45:53 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MGjVZ15193 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:45:31 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11100; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:54 +0100 Received: from corvil.com. (k100-159.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.100.159]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11076 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host k100-159.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.100.159] claimed to be corvil.com. Received: from corvil.com (pixelbeat.local.corvil.com [172.18.1.170]) by corvil.com. (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7MGgjn4090705 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:46 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from padraig.brady@corvil.com) Message-Id: <3D651472.7080101@corvil.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:42:26 +0100 From: Padraig Brady <padraig.brady@corvil.com> Organization: Corvil Networks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020408 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. References: <45130FBE2F203649A4BABDB848A9C9D00E9C8A@enterprise.wasptech.com> <20020822163641.GN3670@jinny.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie John P. Looney wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 05:13:01PM +0100, Fergal Moran mentioned: > >>In a nutshell - Solaris is Suns own flavour of UNIX. > > > Though I'm sure that this nice person would like a bit more detail. > > Solaris is quite different to Linux, though these days you can make > solaris act a lot like linux with an extra CD of GNU tools Sun ship with > solaris. It is based on the SysV unix family, so it's quite similar to > other unixen like HPUX and SCO. > > Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, and a lot more expensive. One > of the main bonuses you get by buying Sun is that you are getting your > hardware and software from one company, so if you have a support contract, > they have to fix it. They can't fob you off with 'that's a software > problem, talk to the software vendor.' etc. > > If you are set on Linux, you most likely can do your own support. There > is then a world of different hardware options. You can run Linux on Sparc, > though some companies like RedHat don't maintain a sparc port anymore. > > You can also buy your machine from linux-oriented companies like DNUK, > who do machines designed to run linux, and their own version of linux, > that has a few extras for their machines. Or, you can get a machine from a > cheaper company like Dell, and it'll most likely work, most of the time. Why do you say Dell is cheaper than DNUK? It gets a bit complicated though! http://www.levenez.com/unix/history.html P�draig. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:47 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F82C4416B for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:31 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MIE5Z19072 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:14:05 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15460; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:12:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15419 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:11:56 +0100 Received: from sunire.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.30]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04778 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sionnach.ireland.sun.com (sionnach [129.156.220.28]) by sunire.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id g7MIBJd19492 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:11:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from sionnach (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sionnach.ireland.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7MIBJdr004189 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:11:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200208221811.g7MIBJdr004189@sionnach.ireland.sun.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: ilug@linux.ie From: Albert White - SUN Ireland <albert.white@ireland.sun.com> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Sun Solaris.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:42:33 BST." <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208221841070.28604-100000@dunlop.admin.ie.alphyra.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:11:19 +0100 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie > On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, John P. Looney wrote: > > Sun's hardware in general is more reliable, > ROFL. not in our experience. Well at least our Caps-Lock keys work: peter@staunton.ie said: > Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock > twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/ > off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable > instead. :-P bauwolf@indigo.ie said: > as if he wanted Solaris 9 for x86, he'd be waiting a bit erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... Cheers, ~Al -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:20 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D8944160 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MIPTZ19588 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:25:29 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BC22940D4; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (pm7-32.sba1.netlojix.net [207.71.222.128]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7AD294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dave@localhost) by maltesecat (8.8.7/8.8.7a) id LAA21283; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:58 -0700 Message-Id: <200208221811.LAA21283@maltesecat> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: RE: The Curse of India's Socialism In-Reply-To: Message from fork-request@xent.com of "Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:30:03 PDT." <20020821183003.25673.41476.Mailman@lair.xent.com> From: Dave Long <dl@silcom.com> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:11:57 -0700 > You have multiple generations of > peasants/squatters that cultivate and live on the lands almost as a > human parts of the property package. When I'd read that "getting legal title can take 20 years", when I believe that 1 year ought to be more than sufficient, (and helped by the Cairo reference) I'd assumed that we were talking about the urban poor. If I see people living in mansions, or even in suburban subdivisions, I assume they didn't have too much trouble with their titles. If I see people living in shanties and haphazard alleyways, I tend to assume their parcels weren't exactly recorded on the government maps, or paid for with a bank loan, especially when nearby vacant lots have shotgun wielding men presumably intent on keeping them "development" free. Now, it may be that "Manhattanites' view of America" to say that outside of Metro Manila, Davao, and maybe another city or two (Cebu?), everything else (literally) is the boondocks. But going on that very broad assumption, I guess I'm describing the flip side of Mr. Roger's experience: the paisanos (who leave behind those who remain on a patron's rural land) move to Manila, and (the second assumption) squat in shantytowns there, at least until they can line up a middle-class job. So, going on two large assumptions, I can come up with a scenario under which title would take 20 years: a shantytown arises somewhere in the midst of a section (or whatever the Spanish used to divvy up the land) and it takes decades of arguing to put together a package which somehow can both compensate the owner and record lots for the inhabitants. Just transferring title to an existing lot, between parties who have money, ought not to be a problem. The obvious solution, at least to us barking farting chihuahuas on FoRK, is to "introduce market mechanisms". It is left as an exercise to come up with one which works when many of the agents (are perceived to) have negligible NPV. -Dave > [land reform] meant that all the agricultural producers had > to plant crops all the time (profitable or not) ... What happened to more highly-capitalized land? Putting in trees instead of crops sounds like it might sidestep that. > Mr. Long, I think you'd particularly enjoy the De Soto work. On the "to find" list. Any chance of an explanation of that "Bell Jar" in the meantime? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:42 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762374415C for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:30 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MHxuZ18619 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:59:56 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14875; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:57:44 +0100 Received: from ni-mail1.dna.utvinternet.net (mail.d-n-a.net [194.46.8.11]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14844 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:57:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host mail.d-n-a.net [194.46.8.11] claimed to be ni-mail1.dna.utvinternet.net Received: from mail.dnet.co.uk (unverified [194.46.8.61]) by ni-mail1.dna.utvinternet.net (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id <B0002356019@ni-mail1.dna.utvinternet.net>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:55:19 +0100 From: "Peter Staunton" <peter@staunton.ie> Reply-To: peter@staunton.ie To: ilug@linux.ie Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:57:35 GMT X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 1.8s, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-Id: <3d65260f.948.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> X-User-Info: 159.134.226.168 Subject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie Folks, my first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux. Just got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard disk for Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which went fine except it didn't pick up my monitor. I have a Dell branded E151FPp 15" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia GeForce4 Ti4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's default set. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM. Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next? Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead. If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful - I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas. Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat? Opinions welcome. Thanks a lot, Peter -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Aug 28 18:38:58 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAF744155 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:38:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7SHbmZ03288 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:37:49 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6058729422F; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (cats-mx1.ucsc.edu [128.114.129.36]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED9329409A for <FoRK@xent.com>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Tycho (dhcp-63-177.cse.ucsc.edu [128.114.63.177]) by cats.ucsc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id g7SHaGT09111 for <FoRK@xent.com>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:36:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Whitehead" <ejw@cse.ucsc.edu> To: "FoRK" <FoRK@xent.com> Subject: RE: Gecko adhesion finally sussed. Message-Id: <AMEPKEBLDJJCCDEJHAMICEFKFFAA.ejw@cse.ucsc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200208270124.00426.eh@mad.scientist.com> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Ucsc-Cats-Mailscanner: Found to be clean Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:34:04 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.2 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: Great, this is half of what I'd need to become Spider Man! Now all I need to figure out is how to do that spider web shooting thing. - Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of > Eirikur Hallgrimsson > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:24 PM > To: FoRK > Subject: Gecko adhesion finally sussed. > > > (Via Robot Wisdom) Maybe you UC folk know these people? > > http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2002-08/lcc-sph082202.php > > Working at Lewis & Clark College, the University of California at > Berkeley, > the University of California at Santa Barbara, and Stanford University, > the interdisciplinary team: > > * confirmed speculation that the gecko's amazing climbing ability > depends on weak molecular attractive forces called van der Waals forces, > > * rejected a competing model based on the adhesion chemistry of water > molecules, and > > * discovered that the gecko's adhesive depends on geometry, not surface > chemistry. In other words, the size and shape of the tips of gecko foot > hairs--not what they are made of--determine the gecko's stickiness. > > To verify its experimental and theoretical results, the gecko group then > used its new data to fabricate prototype synthetic foot-hair tips > from two > different materials. > > "Both artificial setal tips stuck as predicted," notes Autumn, assistant > professor of biology at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, Ore. "Our > initial prototypes open the door to manufacturing the first biologically > inspired dry, adhesive microstructures, which can have widespread > applications."

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From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Aug 28 18:49:16 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A716744156 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:49:13 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7SHmKZ03633 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 18:48:20 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7126294236; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from jamesr.best.vwh.net (jamesr.best.vwh.net [192.220.76.165]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 45E04294235 for <fork@xent.com>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 54312 invoked by uid 19621); 28 Aug 2002 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avalon) ([64.125.200.18]) (envelope-sender <jamesr@best.com>) by 192.220.76.165 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <fork@xent.com>; 28 Aug 2002 17:43:11 -0000 Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies From: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> To: fork@example.com In-Reply-To: <m23csy539p.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> References: <20020828164409.8826AC44D@argote.ch> <m23csy539p.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk Message-Id: <1030557516.7585.53.camel@avalon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 28 Aug 2002 10:58:35 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.0 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 09:58, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote: > > And a Java program, due to the extensive class libraries, will weigh > in at 10% the number of lines of the equivalent C program. QED. My typical Java-to-C conversion doesn't increase the lines of code by more than 20%, and a fair portion of that is the implementation of additional features that drove us to do the conversion in the first place. Some things are substantially more succinct when written in C than in Java. C and most other mature languages have an endless collection of libraries. I personally don't use anything beyond the core libraries of any language that much though. On a tangent, I find libraries nearly useless for a great many things due primarily to the fact that most of them are so general that a given non-trivial API almost always has a context in which it will function in a pathological manner. Code reuse is wonderful and all that, but libraries frequently make design trade-offs that won't work for me even if they theoretically do exactly what I need. Unfortunately, it isn't particularly easy nor does it make a nice simple API to design a library that really is optimizable to a wide range of design cases. I've built a small collection of flexible psuedo-polymorphic APIs over the years that I tend to use, but it is a pretty ugly solution for code reuse when you get right down to it. -James Rogers jamesr@best.com

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Sep 6 11:42:43 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1CA16F6E for <jm@localhost>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:40:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:40:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86A2wC30579 for <jm@jmason.org>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:02:58 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47990294295; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 03:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net (isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net [64.243.46.20]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 95CCF294294 for <fork@xent.com>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 30958 invoked by uid 501); 6 Sep 2002 10:01:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 10:01:51 -0000 From: CDale <cdale@techmonkeys.net> To: Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org> Cc: bitbitch@magnesium.net, "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com>, <fork@xent.com> Subject: Re[2]: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209061122540.30472-100000@hydrogen.leitl.org> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209060454450.13901-100000@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:01:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.6 required=7.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > > > If guys still have silly antequated ideas about 'women's role' then > > their opportunities for finding women _will_ be scarce. > > What is silly and antiquated depends a lot on which country you live in. It also depends on what the fad is or what is in style. (: > I don't have statistics on the love half life, but it seems long-term > relationships use something else for glue. > > Clearly our non-silly non-antiquated ideas about relationships have > resulted in mostly short-duration relationships and single-parented, > dysfunctional kids (not enough of them too boot, so to keep our > demographics from completely keeling over we're importing them from places > with mostly silly and antiquated ideas). Actualy our silly antiquated ideas about relationships and love have resulted in the bleedings of many upon many a page (and musical instrumnet, and canvas) What's the problem if we dash a little Mrs. Dash on them? (: Or cayenne. Or ginger. (mm ask me about ginger root play). And let me tell you this: just because a child happens to be single-parented (what a word), does not mean that child is dysfunctional or lives in a dysfunctional home. The govt/media/church has tried to make it look like there is a disintegration, when in fact, there is a coming together of other family members and friends to raise children. It's not decaying -- it's changing. Nothing wrong with change. > At least from the viewpoint of demographics sustainability and > counterpressure to gerontocracy and resulting innovatiophobia we're doing > something wrong. > > Maybe we should really go dirty Tleilaxu all the way. > Maybe y'all should buy m-w some more bandwidth. C -- "I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Sep 6 11:42:46 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034B916F16 for <jm@localhost>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:40:02 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:40:02 +0100 (IST) Received: from webnote.net (mail.webnote.net [193.120.211.219]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g869qHC29143 for <jm@jmason.org>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:52:17 +0100 Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by webnote.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19167 for <jm@jmason.org>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:04:22 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AF9294250; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mithral.com (watcher.mithral.com [204.153.244.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 28EA02940AA for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22247 invoked by uid 1111); 5 Sep 2002 23:02:55 -0000 From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> To: <fork@example.com> Subject: Pitch Dark Bar Opens for Blind Dates Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209051601200.22237-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:02:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: This is preaty neat. - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com Pitch Dark Bar Opens for Blind Dates Thu Sep 5,10:09 AM ET BERLIN (Reuters) - Diners at Berlin's newest restaurant cannot see what they are eating and have to be guided to their table by blind waiters because the bar is pitch black. The restaurant, which opened Wednesday, aims to make guests concentrate on senses other than sight. Holding on to one another, the first visitors followed waiter Roland Zimmermann, 33, into the dining room. Although the PhD student has been blind since childhood, he is the only one able to point out chairs, cutlery and drinks. "I'm putting your plate right in front of you," Zimmermann said. "I can't find my mouth," one voice replied out of the dark. "I wonder what this dish is -- Lasagne? Or some casserole?" another invisible guest said. In the "unsicht-Bar," which means invisible in German, diners cannot choose complete dishes from the menu but can only indicate whether they would like a fish, meat or vegetarian option. "We want people to have an extraordinary experience of tasting, feeling and smelling," said Manfred Scharbach, head of the organization for blind and sight-restricted people, which is running the bar. "People are surprised that their tongues and taste senses are taking over and are sending signals, which their eyes would normally have sent," he added. Of the 30 staff, 22 are blind. An average meal lasts about three hours and the waiters are always around to help, Scharnbach said. And at the end of the night, they will even reveal what customers have actually been eating.

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:26 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA70647C68 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:46 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MJOSZ21435 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:24:28 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532572940E5; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from crank.slack.net (slack.net [166.84.151.181]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19BE0294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by crank.slack.net (Postfix, from userid 596) id D1DEE3EC9E; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crank.slack.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04DE3EC10; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom <tomwhore@slack.net> To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org> Cc: Chris Haun <chris@noskillz.com>, <fork@spamassassin.taint.org> Subject: Re: lifegem In-Reply-To: <3D653874.8010204@barrera.org> Message-Id: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0208221524380.28231-100000@crank.slack.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: --]Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in --]the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond. So thats why I keep seeing DeBeers agents hovering around me. -tom(diamonds in the folds of my flesh)wsmf http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:30 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C348B44163 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:47 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MJSYZ21645 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:28:34 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FCD2940ED; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from sunserver.permafrost.net (u172n16.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.172.16]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3612940EA for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.179] (helo=permafrost.net) by sunserver.permafrost.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17hxYk-00009P-00; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:23:58 -0300 Message-Id: <3D653BBF.3060209@permafrost.net> From: Owen Byrne <owen@permafrost.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org> Cc: Chris Haun <chris@noskillz.com>, fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: lifegem References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208211526350.675-100000@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net> <3D653874.8010204@barrera.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:30:07 -0300 Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Chris Haun wrote: > >> A LifeGem is a certified, high quality diamond created from the >> carbon of your loved one as a memorial to their unique and wonderful >> life. > > > Why wait until you're dead? I'm sure there's enough carbon in > the fat from your typical liposuction job to make a decent diamond. > > - Joe > Oh, hell - what about excrement? I'd love to be able to say - No, the sun doesn't shine out of my ass, but there's the occasional diamond. ;-). Owen http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From timc@2ubh.com Thu Aug 22 13:52:59 2002 Return-Path: <timc@2ubh.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0314547C66 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:59 +0100 (IST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MCrdZ07070 for <zzzz@example.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:39 +0100 X-Egroups-Return: sentto-2242572-52733-1030020820-zzzz=example.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:40 -0000 X-Sender: timc@2ubh.com X-Apparently-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 76099 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rhenium.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.93) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 12:53:39 -0000 Received: from host217-36-23-185.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([217.36.23.185]) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 17hrT0-0004gj-00 for forteana@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:53:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) To: zzzzteana <zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com> X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <E17hrT0-0004gj-00@rhenium.btinternet.com> From: "Tim Chapman" <timc@2ubh.com> X-Yahoo-Profile: tim2ubh MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com; contact forteana-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:zzzzteana-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:52:38 +0100 Subject: [zzzzteana] Moscow bomber Reply-To: zzzzteana@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man Threatens Explosion In Moscow Thursday August 22, 2002 1:40 PM MOSCOW (AP) - Security officers on Thursday seized an unidentified man who said he was armed with explosives and threatened to blow up his truck in front of Russia's Federal Security Services headquarters in Moscow, NTV television reported. The officers seized an automatic rifle the man was carrying, then the man got out of the truck and was taken into custody, NTV said. No other details were immediately available. The man had demanded talks with high government officials, the Interfax and ITAR-Tass news agencies said. Ekho Moskvy radio reported that he wanted to talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Police and security forces rushed to the Security Service building, within blocks of the Kremlin, Red Square and the Bolshoi Ballet, and surrounded the man, who claimed to have one and a half tons of explosives, the news agencies said. Negotiations continued for about one and a half hours outside the building, ITAR-Tass and Interfax reported, citing witnesses. The man later drove away from the building, under police escort, and drove to a street near Moscow's Olympic Penta Hotel, where authorities held further negotiations with him, the Moscow police press service said. The move appeared to be an attempt by security services to get him to a more secure location. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/7gSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: forteana-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:51 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7419C4416C for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:33 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MJtgZ22471 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:55:42 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19436; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:53:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.18]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19403 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:52:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 50842 messnum 34651 invoked from network[159.134.205.176/p432.as1.athlone1.eircom.net]); 22 Aug 2002 19:52:16 -0000 Received: from p432.as1.athlone1.eircom.net (HELO darkstar) (159.134.205.176) by mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 50842) with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 19:52:16 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: Ciaran Johnston <cj@nologic.org> Organization: nologic.org To: <ilug@linux.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Formatting a windows partition from Linux Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:58:07 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <1029944325.29456.28.camel@dubrhlnx1> <26030.194.237.142.30.1029943301.squirrel@mail.nologic.org> In-Reply-To: <26030.194.237.142.30.1029943301.squirrel@mail.nologic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200208222058.07760.cj@nologic.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lugh.tuatha.org id UAA19403 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie Update on this for anyone that's interested, and because I like closed threads... nothing worse than an infinite while loop, is there? I ended up formatting a floppy on my flatmate's (un-networked) P100 running FAT16 Win95, and mcopied the contents of the bootdisk across. Now I have a FAT16 Win98 install running alongside Slackware, and can play Metal Gear Solid when the mood takes me ;) /Ciaran. On Wednesday 21 August 2002 16:21, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > Dublin said: > > If you copy the files from your disk to the c: partition and mark it as > > active it should work ... > > Yeah, I figured that, but it doesn't seem to ... well, if that's the case > I'll give it another go tonight, maybe come back with some error messages. > > Just to clarify for those who didn't understand me initially - I have a > floppy drive installed, but it doesn't physically work. There's nowhere > handy to pick one up where I am, and I don't fancy waiting a few days for > one to arrive from Peats. > > Thanks for the answers, > Ciaran. > > > You especially need io.sys, command.com and msdos.sys > > > > your cd driver .sys and read the autoexec.bat and config.sys files for > > hints on what you did with your boot floppy <g> > > > > P > > > > On Wed, 2002-08-21 at 14:07, Ciaran Johnston wrote: > >> Hi folks, > >> The situation is this: at home, I have a PC with 2 10Gig HDDs, and no > >> (working) floppy drive. I have been running Linux solely for the last > >> year, but recently got the urge to, among other things, play some of > >> my Windoze games. I normally install the windows partition using a > >> boot floppy which I have conveniently zipped up, but I haven't any way > >> of writing or reading a floppy. > >> So, how do I go about: > >> 1. formatting a C: drive with system files (normally I would use > >> format /s c: from the floppy). > >> 2. Installing the CDROM drivers (my bootdisk (I wrote it many years > >> ago) does this normally). > >> 3. Booting from the partition? > >> > >> I wiped all my linux partitions from the first drive and created > >> partitions for Windows (HDA1) Slackware and RedHat. I used cfdisk for > >> this. I made the first drive (hda) bootable. I then installed the > >> windows partition in LILO and reran lilo (installed in MBR). I copied > >> the contents of boot.zip to my new windows partition and tried to boot > >> it - all I get is a garbled line of squiggles. > >> > >> Anyone any ideas? I can't think of anywhere in Athlone to get a new > >> floppy drive this evening... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Ciaran. > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > >> http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription > >> information. 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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:35 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE73347C6A for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MKBTZ22948 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:11:29 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D40294183; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net (isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net [64.243.46.20]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 317F2294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2336 invoked by uid 500); 22 Aug 2002 20:09:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 20:09:34 -0000 From: Chris Haun <chris@noskillz.com> X-X-Sender: chris@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: public mailing list sign up package Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208221606260.675-100000@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Has anyone seen/heard of/used some package that would let a random person go to a webpage, create a mailing list, then administer that list. Also of course let ppl sign up for the lists and manage their subscriptions. Similar to the old listbot.org, but i'd like to have it running on my server not someone elses :) Chris http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:39 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC734415F for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:50 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7ML7TZ24823 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:07:30 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC062940EE; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from argote.ch (argote.ch [80.65.224.17]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC18294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argote.ch (Postfix, from userid 500) id D7039C44E; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:34 +0200 (CEST) To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> From: harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley) Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:34 +0200 (CEST) An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started telling disparaging anecdotes about the President. Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 11:37:49 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCA444155 for <jm@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:37:49 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TAXiZ08357 for <jm@jmason.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:33:44 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69282294191; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mandark.labs.netnoteinc.com (unknown [212.2.188.179]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3EF294109 for <FoRK@xent.com>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com [192.168.2.14]) by mandark.labs.netnoteinc.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TATZ502455; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:29:35 +0100 Received: by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 23F6343F99; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 06:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5D533D8D; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:27:08 +0100 (IST) To: Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> Cc: FoRK <FoRK@xent.com> Subject: Re: Internet saturation (but not in Iceland) In-Reply-To: Message from Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> of "Thu, 29 Aug 2002 03:58:03 EDT." <200208290358.03815.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: yyyy@example.com (Justin Mason) X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: 0A48 2D8B 0B52 A87D 0E8A 6ADD 4137 1B50 6E58 EF0A X-Habeas-Swe-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-Swe-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-Swe-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-Swe-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-Swe-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-Swe-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-Swe-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-Swe-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-Swe-9: mark in spam to <http://www.habeas.com/report/>. Message-Id: <20020829102708.23F6343F99@phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:27:03 +0100 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-28.3 required=7.0 tests=HABEAS_SWE,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: Eirikur Hallgrimsson said: > Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the middle of the Atlantic, > mostly in the dark for half the year, wouldn't *you* like a bit of > internet distraction? They've already done the obvious and fiber-ringed > the island. BTW did they do the same as they did in Ireland, namely: spend millions burying copious miles of dark fibre, then neglect to provide any way of actually hooking it up to any ISPs? ;) --j. (frustrated)

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From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 16:12:04 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B817843F9B for <jm@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:12:03 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TF4pZ17337 for <jm@jmason.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:04:52 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5E92940E8; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from sunserver.permafrost.net (u172n16.hfx.eastlink.ca [24.222.172.16]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 907C8294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.179] (helo=permafrost.net) by sunserver.permafrost.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17kQmZ-0001bn-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:00:27 -0300 Message-Id: <3D6E3883.8090500@permafrost.net> From: Owen Byrne <owen@permafrost.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geege <grlygrl201@aol.com> Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: Rambus, Man References: <200208262039.NAA20810@stories2.idg.net> Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------090602010909000705010009" Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:06:43 -0300 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=7.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --------------090602010909000705010009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Geege wrote: >This message was sent to you from http://www.idg.net > >Geege would like you to read the story below: > >http://www.idg.net/gomail.cgi?id=940026 > >Title: >A first look at the 2.8-GHz Pentium 4 > >Summary: >Latest Rambus memory plus fast bus appear to give Intel's newest P4 the jolt it needs. > >Geege attached the following message: >------------------------------------------------------------ >ha ha ha harley. rambus earns it. >------------------------------------------------------------ > >Stay on top of the world of Information Technology with your own >FREE subscription to our specialized newsletters. Subscribe now >at http://www.idg.net/subscribe > > >7132 > > > The overclockers have given it another jolt, perhaps to potential sales (and maybe sales of liquid nitrogen): via slashdot Owen http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/nw2800/index3.phtml *P�iv�m��r�:* 26.8.2002 *Artikkeli:* Intel Northwood 2,8GHz *Tekij�:* Sampsa Kurri <mailto:sampsa.kurri@muropaketti.com> *English Summary* When the Intel Pentium 4 2,8GHz CPU arrived to our testlab we ordered 10 liters of Liquid Nitrogen (LN2 -196�C) and decided to run some tests in very low temperatures. After some adjusting and testing we were able to run SiSoft Sandra CPU and Memory benchmarks and Pifast benchmark smoothly when the CPU was running at 3917MHz. We raised the FSB one more step and managed to run succesfully SuperPi benchmark while CPU was running at 3998MHz. The result was 39 seconds. Test setup: P4 2,8GHz, Modified Asus P4T533-C, Samsung PC800 RDRAM, PNY GeForce 4 MX440 and Windows XP OS. Check out the pictures. --------------090602010909000705010009--

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 13:13:38 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8512B47C86 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:46:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8200sZ09145 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 01:00:54 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A51A2940BB; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:58:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mithral.com (watcher.mithral.com [204.153.244.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BF835294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2826 invoked by uid 1111); 1 Sep 2002 23:59:24 -0000 From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> To: Bill Stoddard <bill@wstoddard.com> Cc: "Fork@Xent.Com" <fork@example.com> Subject: RE: Gasp! In-Reply-To: <JHEPKCEMGPKFFDHHDDKDIEKAFDAA.bill@wstoddard.com> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209011641450.2749-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.2 required=7.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Bill Stoddard wrote: > > > > "Red Hat Linux Advanced Server provides many high end features such as: > > Support for Asynchronous I/O. Now read I/O no longer needs to stall your > > application while waiting for completion." > > Can you provide a reference? I could find it myself but I'm too lazy. Well, i saw it on the Compaq Testdrive site, then had to seriously dig on the redhat site... It's in one of their whitepapers... http://www.redhat.com/pdf/as/as_rasm.pdf > > Could it be? After 20 years without this feature UNIX finally > > catches up to > > Windows and has I/O that doesnt totally suck for nontrivial apps? No way! > > Do /dev/poll and FreeBSD's KQ event driven APIs count? IMHO, true async > io as implemented by Windows 4.0 and beyond is pretty slick, but the > programming model is substantially more complex than programming to an > event API like /dev/poll. And true async does not buy much if the > system call overhead is low (as it is with Linux). I havent used the FBSD poll, as it's not portable, select and poll(still not 100%) are all that exist in the UNIX world. Redhat of course doesnt count as portable either, but it's nice they are trying. The Windows I/O model does definately blow the doors off the UNIX one, but then they had select to point at in it's suckiness and anything would have been an improvement. UNIX is just now looking at it's I/O model and adapting to a multiprocess multithreaded world so it's gonna be years yet before a posix API comes out of it. Bottom line is the "do stuff when something happens" model turned out to be right, and the UNIX "look for something to do and keep looking till you find it no matter how many times you have to look" is not really working so great anymore. - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 13:15:14 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13D947C85 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 12:46:24 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g81NewZ08629 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:40:59 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF062940A2; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCFA294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h00e098788e1f.ne.client2.attbi.com ([24.61.143.15]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020901233938.WYKD11061.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@h00e098788e1f.ne.client2.attbi.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 23:39:38 +0000 From: bitbitch@magnesium.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52f) Educational Reply-To: bitbitch@magnesium.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <6464589899.20020901193917@magnesium.net> To: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: revocation of grlygrl201@ In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209010758070.1078-100000@watcher.mithral.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209010758070.1078-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:39:17 -0400 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.5 required=7.0 tests=FUDGE_MULTIHOP_RELAY,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_THEBAT version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just dandy. Especially since she removed herself from the hive that is aol (and placed herself unto another, but hey :-)) Geege: I think its cute when he worries like that, don't you? :) *ducks and runs* (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to) BB

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:11 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EB744159 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:21:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8217rZ14223 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 02:07:53 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B372940B0; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from imf07bis.bellsouth.net (mail307.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.167]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20EC294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from regina ([68.154.230.7]) by imf07bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with SMTP id <20020902010819.PEKG29588.imf07bis.bellsouth.net@regina>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:08:19 -0400 From: "Geege Schuman" <geege4@bellsouth.net> To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org>, "FoRK" <fork@example.com> Subject: RE: revocation of grlygrl201@ Message-Id: <ILEHJNJFPDLMDEKNIAKCEEAHCAAA.geege4@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D72A81A.1010901@barrera.org> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:05:28 -0400 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.2 required=7.0 tests=FUDGE_MULTIHOP_RELAY,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OUTLOOK version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: beberg, would you rather mrsrobinson@bellsouth.net? into plastics too, schuman -----Original Message----- From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com]On Behalf Of Joseph S. Barrera III Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:52 PM To: FoRK Subject: Re: revocation of grlygrl201@ bitbitch@magnesium.net wrote: > Well Beberg, unless you're really into Anime and actually hold true > that dead people can send email, I think Geege's subject is just > dandy. Funny you should mention that, as I just came back from refilling the green coolant in my Navi. > (bonus FoRK points if Adam knows what anime i'm refering to) I guess I don't get any points, do I? No, didn't think so. - Joe P.S. We've just started watching Boogiepop Phantom... -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed.

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:19 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7D844156 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:21:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g823QqZ17868 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:26:53 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B43229410A; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from barrera.org (cpe-65-172-233-109.sanbrunocable.com [65.172.233.109]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF12294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (127.0.0.1 [127.0.0.1]) by MailEnable Inbound Mail Agent with ESMTP; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:10:39 -08:00 Message-Id: <3D72BA8F.30303@barrera.org> From: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org> Organization: Wings over the World User-Agent: Mutt 5.00.2919.6900 DM (Nigerian Scammer Special Edition) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FoRK <fork@example.com> Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 18:10:39 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.9 required=7.0 tests=KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the > same problems over and over again when there are some many more > important and interesting problems (high level) to be solved ????? Amen! Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man (or less of a kiddie). - Joe -- The Combatant State is your father and your mother, your only protector, the totality of your interests. No discipline can be stern enough for the man who denies that by word or deed.

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:18 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2955A44155 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:21:56 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g822fqZ16863 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 03:41:52 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448352940EE; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mithral.com (watcher.mithral.com [204.153.244.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A697294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3351 invoked by uid 1111); 2 Sep 2002 02:40:27 -0000 From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> To: <fork@example.com> Subject: Tech's Major Decline Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209011921330.3235-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: "Once we thought of the Internet as this thing with infinite capabilities. It was basically just a fad that came along." Missing from the article is the percentage of foreign enrolement, I would bet the numbers of students from Asia (China specificly) has gone up quite a bit, and is the only thing keeping the overall numbers from plummiting. "you can't get the chicks with that anymore." About time us geeks were outcasts again. I was getting sick of hearing about geeks breeding and ending up with autistic children - proving that intelligence is a genetic defect and a "do not breed" flag.) - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com ----------------- Tech's Major Decline College Students Turning Away From Bits and Bytes By Ellen McCarthy Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, August 27, 2002; Page E01 If John Yandziak had been entering college a few years ago, he might have sought a stake in the "new" economy. He might have dreamed of becoming an ace code-cracker for the CIA or the National Security Agency, or imagined toppling an empire with revolutionary software. Maybe he would have tried to use the Internet to end world hunger. But as Yandziak attends his first college classes this week, he's harboring different academic ambitions. The Ashburn native says he wants to do something more social and more interesting than working with computers. Besides, he said while packing for a Charlottesville dormitory room, "you can't get the chicks with that anymore." The tech industry's financial problems are enough to bankrupt the dreams of some fair-weather students. But now there's another consequence of the tech bust: Enrollment growth in undergraduate computer science departments has come to a halt. The number of undergraduates majoring in computer science fell 1 percent in 2001, according to a report by the Computing Research Association. And educators in the field say the trend seems to be accelerating, with some colleges seeing much greater drops as the new academic year begins. The word is out among department deans that the bust's fallout has trickled into the classroom, said Maria Clavez, president of the Association of Computing Machinery. "I've heard everything from no change to modest decline to more dramatic declines," said Clavez, who will become the dean of science and engineering at Princeton University in January. "It can be hard to see this, because at some colleges the number of people who want to study computer science so far exceeds the available space. [But] it is going to have an effect." At Virginia Tech, enrollment of undergraduates in the computer science department will drop 25 percent this year, to 300. At George Washington University, the number of incoming freshmen who plan to study computer science fell by more than half this year. Interest in undergraduate computer science programs had grown rapidly in the past decade. In 1997, schools with PhD programs in computer science and computer engineering granted 8,063 degrees, according to the Computing Research Association. The numbers rose through 2001, when 17,048 degrees were awarded. The Labor Department projects that software engineering will be the fastest-growing occupation between 2000 and 2010, with other computer-related industries trailing close behind. But in the short term that growth may slow, based on the changes among college students. For example, 900 of the 2,000-plus undergraduates studying information technology and engineering at George Mason University were computer science majors last year. This year the enrollment in that major is down to 800, although a newly created and more general information technology major has attracted 200 students. "Having it ease off for a while is a bit of a relief," said Lloyd Griffith, dean of George Mason's information technology and engineering school. "Particularly with the field as it has been, they don't want to spend four years on something and then not get a job." Freshman enrollment for the University of Maryland's computer science major is expected to be about 167 this fall, down from 329 last year. Maryland decreased its total freshman enrollment by 11 percent, but that alone does not account for the drop, said Steve Halperin, dean of Maryland's College of Computer, Mathematical and Physical Sciences. "We are seeing a decrease in the number of freshmen who are declaring their interest in pursuing computer science as a major," Halperin said. "That's a factual statement. But I would say that at this point . . . we don't expect to see a decrease in the number of graduates. Many of the kids who are no longer expressing an interest in majoring in CS would have fallen off." Yandziak, who began at the University of Virginia on Saturday, is not convinced that's the case. He graduated in the top 5 percent of his class, with a 3.9 grade-point average, and nailed the highest possible score on his advanced-placement exam in computer science. "All of my classes have been easy for me. Math and sciences were always fun, so I looked for professions in which I could use those things," Yandziak said. "I'm just not sure I want my life to be immersed in [technology]. I want to do something that will contribute to the practical world." Harris N. Miller, president of the Information Technology Association of America, said the last time there was a dearth of computing professionals, salaries skyrocketed and workers benefited from the labor shortage. "There was a tremendous imbalance in the late '90s; potentially you have the same sort of thing going on right now. People are saying, 'I don't need this kind of IT training right now,' " Miller said. "Our concern as an industry is that if they begin to again see major declines in enrollment, down the road four years, as the economy picks up, once again companies are going to find themselves in a shortage situation." Economic potential weighs heavily in many student career choices, but other factors, including program difficulty, personal interests and social influences, also come into play, said Judy Hingle, director of professional development at the American College Counseling Association. The perception of computer science as an isolating, "nerdy" profession is one that many in the industry have tried to squelch. That stereotype went underground during the tech bubble but reemerged during the bust. "All the hipness is gone," Yandziak said. "Once we thought of the Internet as this thing with infinite capabilities. It was basically just a fad that came along." Lamont Thompson, a recent graduate of Calvin Coolidge Senior High School in the District, is headed to Morehouse College in Atlanta to study business marketing, with the intention of going into real estate development. "Technology comes natural to people my age; it's not fascinating anymore," Thompson said. "To be honest with you, when I think computer science, I think of some guy sitting behind a computer all day in a dark room. It's a necessity, but I wouldn't take it any further."

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 2 16:22:28 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FAC44158 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 16:22:02 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g824AoZ19092 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:10:50 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E481E294177; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mithral.com (watcher.mithral.com [204.153.244.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B95FA294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3740 invoked by uid 1111); 2 Sep 2002 04:10:06 -0000 From: "Adam L. Beberg" <beberg@mithral.com> To: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org> Cc: FoRK <fork@example.com> Subject: Re: Java is for kiddies In-Reply-To: <3D72BA8F.30303@barrera.org> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209012101200.3683-100000@watcher.mithral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.9 required=7.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Joseph S. Barrera III wrote: > Reza B'Far (eBuilt) wrote: > > problems.... Why do most computer scientists insist on solving the > > same problems over and over again when there are some many more > > important and interesting problems (high level) to be solved ????? > > Amen! Like what exactly? All the problems are in chemisty and physics and biology and mathematics. We're just enablers :) > Doing it in an (unecessarily) harder way does NOT make you more of a man > (or less of a kiddie). Yes, but doing it an order of magnitude or 2 easier does :) Which with the way things are now, is not hard at all to do. - Adam L. "Duncan" Beberg http://www.mithral.com/~beberg/ beberg@mithral.com

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:20 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E841C16F1B for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:45:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:45:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g893E4C29655 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 04:14:04 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218112942B8; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from smtp1.superb.net (smtp1.superb.net [207.228.225.14]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 773FB2942B7 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21992 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 03:09:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maya.dyndns.org) (207.61.5.143) by smtp1.superb.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 03:09:21 -0000 Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1FC381CC98; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:09:17 -0400 (EDT) To: kragen@pobox.com (Kragen Sitaker) Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa} References: <20020908232416.51F943F4E8@panacea.canonical.org> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m2bs77uaea.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 08 Sep 2002 23:09:17 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.0 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: >>>>> "K" == Kragen Sitaker <kragen@pobox.com> writes: K> Planning battle tactics; for this reason, the intelligence K> press reports, spy satellites have had 1-meter resolution for K> many years. The military already have these spy satellites; they are basically Hubble pointed the other way, so I doubt they will be a big enough customer of this service to justify a next-generation wireless network rollout for the rest of us. K> Finding an individual vehicle in a city might occasionally be K> possible with 1-m images and might occasionally also be worth K> the money. My car is only just over 1.5 meters across and maybe 3 meters long, so that means roughly six pixels total surface area. You might find a 16-wheeler this way, but how often do people misplace a 16-wheeler such that it is _that_ important to get old images of the terrain? Since they can't send up aircraft to update images in realtime every time, how is this different from just releasing the map on DVDs? Why wireless? I thought of the common problem of lost prize cattle, but there again, will there really be business-case for creating a hi-res map of wyoming on the fly instead of just doing what they do now and hiring a helicopter for a few hours? K> For small areas you have legitimate access to, it's probably K> cheaper to go there with a digital camera and a GPS and take K> some snapshots from ground level. Aerial photos might be K> cheaper for large areas, areas where you're not allowed --- or, K> perhaps, physically able --- to go, and cases where you don't K> have time to send a ground guy around the whole area. I can see lower-res being useful for Geologists, but considering their points of interest change only a few times every few million years, there's not much need to be wireless based on up-to-the-minute data. I expect most geologists travel with a laptop perfectly capable of DVD playback, and I also expect the most interesting geology is in regions where the wireless ain't going to go ;) I don't mean to nit-pick, it's just that I'm curious as to (a) the need for this product that justifies the extreme cost and (b) how we'd justify the ubiquitous next-generation wireless network that this product postulates when we /still/ can't find the killer app for 3G. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:21 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D246D16F1C for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:45:54 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:45:54 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g893HIC29684 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 04:17:18 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EB12942BC; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from smtp1.superb.net (smtp1.superb.net [207.228.225.14]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B2B352942BB for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23455 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 03:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maya.dyndns.org) (207.61.5.143) by smtp1.superb.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 03:12:58 -0000 Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id BDC5C1CC98; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:12:53 -0400 (EDT) To: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: whoa References: <B9A13131.D7F8%jamesr@best.com> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m28z2bua8a.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 08 Sep 2002 23:12:53 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.8 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: >>>>> "J" == James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> writes: J> ... They aren't selling the software, which is pretty pricy as J> it happens. They are using it to optimize next generation J> wireless canopies over metro areas and fiber networks on a J> large scale. There are an essentially infinite number of metro J> wireless configurations, some of which generate far more dead J> or marginal spots and others which are very expensive to J> operate (due to backhaul transit considerations) or both. This J> software can be used as a tool to optimize the canopy coverage J> and minimize the actual transit costs since the wireless is J> tied into fiber at multiple points. So you only need to map a handful of metropolitan areas? J> Or at least investors find this capability very sexy and J> compelling Ah ... now /that/ I will believe :) Don't mind me; I'm just getting even more cynical in my old age. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:24 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6466316F1E for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:45:56 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:45:56 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g893aMC30158 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 04:36:22 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F822942C0; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (mta7.pltn13.pbi.net [64.164.98.8]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ADB2942BF for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.100] ([64.173.24.253]) by mta7.pltn13.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H25005UQJA6KW@mta7.pltn13.pbi.net> for fork@xent.com; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> Subject: Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa} In-Reply-To: <m2bs77uaea.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> To: fork@example.com Message-Id: <B9A164ED.D809%jamesr@best.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 20:34:54 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.1 required=7.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,INVALID_MSGID,IN_REP_TO, KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_ENTOURAGE version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: On 9/8/02 8:09 PM, "Gary Lawrence Murphy" <garym@canada.com> wrote: > My car is only just over 1.5 meters across and maybe 3 meters long, so > that means roughly six pixels total surface area. You might find a > 16-wheeler this way, but how often do people misplace a 16-wheeler > such that it is _that_ important to get old images of the terrain? > Since they can't send up aircraft to update images in realtime every > time, how is this different from just releasing the map on DVDs? Why > wireless? It seems that several people are missing the point that this is NOT an image database. It is high-resolution topological data rendered in three dimensions. Images are overlayed on the topological data to help people navigate familiar terrain visually. In other words, it is not intended as a wannabe spy satellite. Rather it is a very accurate three dimensional model of the earth's surface. When a particular region in question is covered in a city, the buildings in the city are mapped as though they are part of the earth's surface. The part that makes the app killer is that you can map all sorts of data layers on top of their core topological data. Got it? -James Rogers jamesr@best.com

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:52 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6804416D for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:34 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MLTQZ25658 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:29:26 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23320; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:26:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from relay06.indigo.ie (relay06.indigo.ie [194.125.133.230]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23285 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:26:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 8720 messnum 1046742 invoked from network[194.125.156.67/unknown]); 22 Aug 2002 21:26:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (194.125.156.67) by relay06.indigo.ie (qp 8720) with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 21:26:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:25:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Mark Twomey <bauwolf@indigo.ie> To: ilug@linux.ie Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <A49FCAEE-B615-11D6-9F96-000393679BE4@indigo.ie> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Subject: [ILUG] Re: Sun Solaris Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie Al white wrote: >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard. (I was joking Al) M. -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From neugens@libero.it Fri Aug 23 11:06:09 2002 Return-Path: <neugens@libero.it> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCE24415B for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:04:22 +0100 (IST) Received: from outgoing.securityfocus.com (outgoing3.securityfocus.com [66.38.151.27]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MM0XZ26628 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:00:33 +0100 Received: from lists.securityfocus.com (lists.securityfocus.com [66.38.151.19]) by outgoing.securityfocus.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 86064A316F; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Mailing-List: contact secprog-help@securityfocus.com; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: <secprog.list-id.securityfocus.com> List-Post: <mailto:secprog@securityfocus.com> List-Help: <mailto:secprog-help@securityfocus.com> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:secprog-unsubscribe@securityfocus.com> List-Subscribe: <mailto:secprog-subscribe@securityfocus.com> Delivered-To: mailing list secprog@securityfocus.com Delivered-To: moderator for secprog@securityfocus.com Received: (qmail 21232 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 21:14:49 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mario Torre <neugens@libero.it> To: secprog@securityfocus.com Subject: Re: Encryption approach to secure web applications Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:49:00 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 References: <200208222015.15926.neugens@libero.it> <00da01c24a15$561376c0$0201a8c0@home1> In-Reply-To: <00da01c24a15$561376c0$0201a8c0@home1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200208222349.00463.neugens@libero.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dogma.slashnull.org id g7MM0XZ26628 Hi, Thank you for the useful replies, I have found some interesting tutorials in the ibm developer connection. https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/j-sec1 and https://www6.software.ibm.com/developerworks/education/j-sec2 Registration is needed. I will post the same message on the Web Application Security list, as suggested by someone. For now, I thing I will use md5 for password checking (I will use the approach described in secure programmin fo linux and unix how-to). I will separate the authentication module, so I can change its implementation at anytime. Thank you again! Mario Torre -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:57 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADF744173 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:36 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MM4mZ26717 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:04:48 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25152; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:02:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25126 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:02:32 +0100 Received: from p977.as2.cra.dublin.eircom.net (HELO mfrenchw2k) (mfrench42@159.134.179.209 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 22:02:25 -0000 Message-Id: <004b01c24a27$149934c0$f264a8c0@sabeo.ie> From: "Matthew French" <mfrench42@yahoo.co.uk> To: <ilug@linux.ie> References: <A49FCAEE-B615-11D6-9F96-000393679BE4@indigo.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Re: Sun Solaris Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:58:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie Mark Twomey joked: > >erm... it runs Solaris x86 as standard... > > It runs Solaris 8 x86 as standard. > (I was joking Al) And will run Solaris 9 when Sun catch up with the x86 drivers and kernel. Although don't hold your breath for the free DVD. It will never come. (Spot the person who applied for the free Solaris 9 DVD, only to be told three months later it is no longer available.<mutter>) FWIW Solaris and Linux seem to be getting closer all the time. I can no longer see any specific reason why one is better than the other. Expect Red Hat Solaris 11 any time now... <grin> - Matthew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:44 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FE344172 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MM5UZ26911 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:05:31 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055142940C8; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from samosa.chappati.org (ar1-nat-sp.collab.net [63.251.56.5]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED1C294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by samosa.chappati.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4F08E126E69; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Manoj Kasichainula <manojk+fork@io.com> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <20020822220402.GA504@samosa.chappati.org> Mail-Followup-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org References: <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:04:02 -0700 On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 10:58:34PM +0200, Robert Harley wrote: > An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." Origins: Yet another French fried "George W. Bush is dumb" story has been taken up by those who like their caricatures drawn in stark, bold lines. According to scuttlebutt that emerged in the British press in July 2002, President Bush, Britain's Prime Minister Tony Blair, and France's President Jacques Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of the French economy. "The problem with the French," Bush afterwards confided in Blair, "is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." The source was Shirley Williams, also known as the Baroness Williams of Crosby, who claimed "my good friend Tony Blair" had recently regaled her with this anecdote in Brighton. Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it," Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must have been a joke." This is far from the first time Bush has been made the butt of a jibe meant to showcase what some perceive as his less than stellar intellectual abilities. Without straining our memories too hard, we can come up with three other instances we've chronicled on this site. In the summer of 2001, the joke of the moment centered upon a supposed study that had resulted in the ranking of Presidential IQs, with George W. Bush being pegged as the Chief Executive who scraped the bottom of the intelligence barrel. In December 2000 it was a fake Nostradamus quatrain which pontificated that the "village idiot" would win the 2000 Presidential election. And in the spring of 2002, it was the story of Bush's waving at Stevie Wonder that set folks to chortling up their sleeves. Stories that illustrate this widely believed intellectual shortcoming will always waft after George W. Bush because they seemingly confirm what many already hold as true about this public figure, that he's not the brightest fellow that's ever been. It is human nature to revel in yarns that the hearer at some level agrees with, thus tales of this sort will always fall upon appreciative ears. Barbara "ears of corn" Mikkelson Last updated: 29 July 2002 http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:07:57 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CBB4416E for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MM12Z26648 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:01:02 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24933; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:59:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from redpie.com (redpie.com [216.122.135.208] (may be forged)) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24894 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:59:17 +0100 Received: from justin ([194.46.28.223]) by redpie.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03470 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kiall Mac Innes" <kialllists@redpie.com> To: "ILUG" <ilug@linux.ie> Subject: RE: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:06:27 +0100 Message-Id: <BCEFLMCEIJHPCPLGADJICEEICAAA.kialllists@redpie.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3d65260f.948.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie hehe sorry but if you hit caps lock twice the computer crashes? theres one ive never heard before... have you tryed Dell support yet? I think dell computers prefer RedHat... (dell provide some computers pre-loaded with red hat) i dont know for sure tho! so get someone elses opnion as well as mine... -----Original Message----- From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of Peter Staunton Sent: 22 August 2002 19:58 To: ilug@linux.ie Subject: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Folks, my first time posting - have a bit of Unix experience, but am new to Linux. Just got a new PC at home - Dell box with Windows XP. Added a second hard disk for Linux. Partitioned the disk and have installed Suse 7.2 from CD, which went fine except it didn't pick up my monitor. I have a Dell branded E151FPp 15" LCD flat panel monitor and a nVidia GeForce4 Ti4200 video card, both of which are probably too new to feature in Suse's default set. I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM. Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next? Another problem. I have a Dell branded keyboard and if I hit Caps-Lock twice, the whole machine crashes (in Linux, not Windows) - even the on/off switch is inactive, leaving me to reach for the power cable instead. If anyone can help me in any way with these probs., I'd be really grateful - I've searched the 'net but have run out of ideas. Or should I be going for a different version of Linux such as RedHat? Opinions welcome. Thanks a lot, Peter -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From iiu-admin@taint.org Fri Aug 23 11:06:32 2002 Return-Path: <iiu-admin@taint.org> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1494416F for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:04:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from dogma.slashnull.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MNM9Z29719; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:22:09 +0100 Received: from mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.16]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MNJfZ29657 for <iiu@taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:19:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 44295 messnum 519748 invoked from network[159.134.100.45/k100-45.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net]); 22 Aug 2002 23:19:43 -0000 Received: from k100-45.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net (HELO ted.nua.ie) (159.134.100.45) by mail00.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 44295) with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 23:19:43 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020823001344.0302c548@dogma.slashnull.org> X-Sender: antoinmail@dogma.slashnull.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: iiu@taint.org, iiu@taint.org From: Antoin O Lachtnain <antoin@eire.com> Subject: Re: [IIU] Eircom aDSL Nat'ing In-Reply-To: <1030032645.73395.1.camel@flapjack.netability.ie> References: <3D650A2D.1000301@dcu.ie> <3D650A2D.1000301@dcu.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: iiu-admin@taint.org Errors-To: iiu-admin@taint.org X-Beenthere: iiu@iiu.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: iiu@taint.org List-Unsubscribe: <http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu>, <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Id: Irish Internet Users <iiu.iiu.taint.org> List-Post: <mailto:iiu@iiu.taint.org> List-Help: <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu>, <mailto:iiu-request@iiu.taint.org?subject=subscribe> List-Archive: <http://iiu.taint.org/pipermail/iiu/> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:17:46 +0100 At 17:10 22/08/2002 +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > apologies for the possible silly question (i don't think it is, but), > > but is Eircom's aDSL service NAT'ed? > >No - you get unfiltered access with a real (but dynamic) IP address. > > > and what implications would that have for VoIP? I know there are > > difficulties with VoIP or connecting to clients connected to a NAT'ed > > network from the internet wild (i.e. machines with static, real IPs) > >You will probably suffer from the high latency of DLS lines. Typically, >you're talking about 50ms RTT to the local bas, which is pretty high. >If your voip application can handle this, then you're ok. > >Nick what's the deal with all this latency? it's not like that in other places where I've used dsl. i read some story about it being done that way to allow greater distances to be covered or something like that. however, my knowledge of physics is really only newtonian, and I don't understand how worsening latency could possibly improve the reliability of a 2000 foot long piece of copper. Perhaps it has something to do with stretching the time-space continuum? can someone explain this in words of five syllables or less? a. >_______________________________________________ >IIU mailing list >IIU@iiu.taint.org >http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu -- Antoin O Lachtnain ** antoin@eire.com ** http://www.eire.com ** +353-87-240-6691 _______________________________________________ IIU mailing list IIU@iiu.taint.org http://iiu.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/iiu

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From irregulars-admin@tb.tf Thu Aug 22 14:23:39 2002 Return-Path: <irregulars-admin@tb.tf> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAE147C66 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:23:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from web.tb.tf (route-64-131-126-36.telocity.com [64.131.126.36]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDGOZ07922 for <zzzz-irr@example.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:16:24 +0100 Received: from web.tb.tf (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by web.tb.tf (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDP9I16418; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:25:09 -0400 Received: from red.harvee.home (red [192.168.25.1] (may be forged)) by web.tb.tf (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDO4I16408 for <irregulars@tb.tf>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:24:04 -0400 Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by red.harvee.home (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDFBD29237 for <irregulars@tb.tf>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:12 -0400 Received: from [209.202.248.109] (slip-32-103-249-10.ma.us.prserv.net[32.103.249.10]) by prserv.net (out4) with ESMTP id <2002082213150220405qu8jce>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:15:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: @ (Unverified) Message-Id: <p04330137b98a941c58a8@[209.202.248.109]> To: undisclosed-recipient: ; From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [IRR] Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Sender: irregulars-admin@tb.tf Errors-To: irregulars-admin@tb.tf X-Beenthere: irregulars@tb.tf X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:irregulars-request@tb.tf?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:irregulars@tb.tf> List-Subscribe: <http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars>, <mailto:irregulars-request@tb.tf?subject=subscribe> List-Id: New home of the TBTF Irregulars mailing list <irregulars.tb.tf> List-Unsubscribe: <http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars>, <mailto:irregulars-request@tb.tf?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://tb.tf/mailman/private/irregulars/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:15:25 -0400 Klez: The Virus That Won't Die Already the most prolific virus ever, Klez continues to wreak havoc. Andrew Brandt >>From the September 2002 issue of PC World magazine Posted Thursday, August 01, 2002 The Klez worm is approaching its seventh month of wriggling across the Web, making it one of the most persistent viruses ever. And experts warn that it may be a harbinger of new viruses that use a combination of pernicious approaches to go from PC to PC. Antivirus software makers Symantec and McAfee both report more than 2000 new infections daily, with no sign of letup at press time. The British security firm MessageLabs estimates that 1 in every 300 e-mail messages holds a variation of the Klez virus, and says that Klez has already surpassed last summer's SirCam as the most prolific virus ever. And some newer Klez variants aren't merely nuisances--they can carry other viruses in them that corrupt your data. ... http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,103259,00.asp _______________________________________________ Irregulars mailing list Irregulars@tb.tf http://tb.tf/mailman/listinfo/irregulars

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:50 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE1947C6D for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:54 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N16TZ03375 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:06:30 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F482940E1; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from argote.ch (argote.ch [80.65.224.17]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0D3294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argote.ch (Postfix, from userid 500) id D63AEC44E; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:57:05 +0200 (CEST) To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <20020823005705.D63AEC44E@argote.ch> From: harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley) Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:57:05 +0200 (CEST) Manoj Kasichainula wrote; >http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm > >Claim: President George W. Bush proclaimed, "The problem with >the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." > >Status: False. >Lloyd Grove of The Washington Post was unable to reach Baroness >Williams to gain her confirmation of the tale, but he did >receive a call from Alastair Campbell, Blair's director of >communications and strategy. "I can tell you that the prime >minister never heard George Bush say that, and he certainly >never told Shirley Williams that President Bush did say it," >Campbell told The Post. "If she put this in a speech, it must >have been a joke." So some guy failed to reach the source, but instead got spin doctor to deny it. Wot, is he thick enough to expect official confirmation that, yes, Blair is going around casting aspersions on Bush??? It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion "Status: False". R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Sep 5 11:31:13 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5C716F7F for <jm@localhost>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:28:37 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:28:37 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85391Z02231 for <jm@jmason.org>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:09:01 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40175294230; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B789E2940AA for <fork@xent.com>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h00e098788e1f.ne.client2.attbi.com ([24.61.143.15]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020905030809.WIJJ19514.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@h00e098788e1f.ne.client2.attbi.com>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:08:09 +0000 From: bitbitch@magnesium.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52f) Educational Reply-To: bitbitch@magnesium.net X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <143118772134.20020904230741@magnesium.net> To: Sherry Listgarten <sherry@timesten.com> Cc: "'fork@example.com'" <fork@example.com> Subject: Re[2]: Java is for kiddies In-Reply-To: <80CE2C46294CD61198BA00508BADCA830FD384@mis-exchange.mv.timesten.com> References: <80CE2C46294CD61198BA00508BADCA830FD384@mis-exchange.mv.timesten.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:07:41 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_MULTIHOP_DSBL,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_THEBAT version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: SL> <snip> SL> Misc rants about finding jobs, java vs C, what makes a good programmer, etc. SL> </snip> <snip> SL> Okay, hmm, I thought twice about this, but what the hey, jobs are hard to SL> come by. There's a company hiring in Mountain View, looking for a few good </snip> I give Adam an hour or so to come up with an adequate number of excuses as to why -this- job isn't worth it. :) GO Adam GO!

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:25 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED20116F1F for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:45:57 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:45:57 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g893vGC30619 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 04:57:17 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0372F2941CE; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net (isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net [64.243.46.20]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ABEC92941C9 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9858 invoked by uid 501); 9 Sep 2002 03:56:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 03:56:09 -0000 From: CDale <cdale@techmonkeys.net> To: Tom <tomwhore@slack.net> Cc: Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.org>, Gordon Mohr <gojomo@usa.net>, <fork@xent.com> Subject: Re: Selling Wedded Bliss (was Re: Ouch...) In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0209082308280.29141-100000@crank.slack.net> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0209082255100.8855-100000@isolnetsux.techmonkeys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:56:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-12.9 required=7.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: I agree w/ ya Tom. That kind of thinking is SO idiotic. Sure, gays are promiscuous, and so are hets, but I betcha gays are more AIDSphobic than hets, generally speaking.... C On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Tom wrote: > On Sun, 8 Sep 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: > > --]doesn't look particularly difficult to do. > --] > --]Clearly this is not something what hets do, prostitution not taken into > --]account. > > So lets see, hets dont go to swing clubs, meat markets or the like at all? > Hmm. And being gay means hanging in the bath house being a cum dumpster > while you listen to the Devine Ms M belt one out for the boys? > > Ugh, with thinking like this who needs the bible belt? > > > > -- "I don't take no stocks in mathematics, anyway" --Huckleberry Finn

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:28 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F2116F21 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:46:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:46:00 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8956EC00328 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:06:15 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FC42942C3; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 651382941D9 for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 71750 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 05:04:58 -0000 Received: from adsl-67-119-24-60.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO golden) (67.119.24.60) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 05:04:58 -0000 X-Pair-Authenticated: 67.119.24.60 Message-Id: <02f701c257be$6f1d9e50$640a000a@golden> From: "Gordon Mohr" <gojomo@usa.net> To: <fork@example.com> References: <B9A05063.D7DA%jamesr@best.com> <m2y9act9d2.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Subject: earthviewer apps Re: whoa MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:04:51 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.3 required=7.0 tests=AWL,INVALID_MSGID,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OE version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: Gary Lawrence Murphy cynicizes: > Hmmm, just as I thought. In other words, it has no practical uses > whatsoever ;) Tourism is the world's largest industry. Using this to preview your travels, or figure out where you are, would be very valuable. Online gaming continues to grow. Screw "Britannia", real-life Britain would be a fun world to wander/ conquer/explore virtually, in role-playing or real- time-strategy games. And of course, as James Rogers points out, it's an ideal display substrate for all sorts of other overlaid data. Maps are great, photrealistic 3-D maps of everywhere which can have many other static and dynamic datasets overlaid are spectacular. (Combining those last two thoughts: consider the static world map, in faded colors, with patches here-and-there covered by live webcams, stitched over the static info in bright colors... it'd be like the "fog of war" view in games like Warcraft, over the real world.) - Gordon

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From fork-admin@xent.com Mon Sep 9 10:46:27 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D27316F20 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:45:59 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:45:59 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g894fDC32162 for <jm@jmason.org>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:41:13 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6AC2941D3; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from smtp1.superb.net (smtp1.superb.net [207.228.225.14]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 480DB2941CC for <fork@xent.com>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 22976 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 04:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maya.dyndns.org) (207.61.5.143) by smtp1.superb.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 04:40:04 -0000 Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id C7A5D1CC98; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 00:39:58 -0400 (EDT) To: James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> Cc: fork@example.com Subject: Re: earthviewer (was Re: whoa} References: <B9A164ED.D809%jamesr@best.com> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m2u1kzsrmp.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 09 Sep 2002 00:39:58 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.7 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: >>>>> "J" == James Rogers <jamesr@best.com> writes: J> ... The part that makes the app killer is that you can map all J> sorts of data layers on top of their core topological data. J> Got it? Ah, ok ... so some sample applications come to mind, although none of them require wireless and would do with a DVD, but nonetheless ... - Forestry: Maps of the terrain are essential in predicting the spread of forest fires, esp if this is overlaid with the type of vegetation, recent waterfall &c - farming/conservation can use the high-resolution terrain to overlay water tables or watershed info. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)

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From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Oct 10 12:34:47 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D4616F1F for <jm@localhost>; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:33:24 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:33:24 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A1omK03066 for <jm@jmason.org>; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:50:52 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3352B2940A0; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from mail.endeavors.com (unknown [66.161.8.83]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2409F29409A for <Fork@xent.com>; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from endeavors.com ([66.161.8.83] RDNS failed) by mail.endeavors.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:50:05 -0700 Message-Id: <3DA4DCC7.6060601@endeavors.com> From: Gregory Alan Bolcer <gbolcer@endeavors.com> Organization: Endeavors Technology, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rohit Khare <khare@alumni.caltech.edu> Cc: Fork@xent.com Subject: Re: Lord of the Ringtones: Arbocks vs. Seelecks References: <F80BF485-DB2E-11D6-B1B1-000393A46DEA@alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originalarrivaltime: 10 Oct 2002 01:50:05.0878 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B4AFD60:01C26FFF] Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:49:59 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,T_NONSENSE_FROM_00_10, T_NONSENSE_FROM_10_20,T_NONSENSE_FROM_20_30, T_NONSENSE_FROM_30_40,T_NONSENSE_FROM_40_50, T_NONSENSE_FROM_50_60,T_NONSENSE_FROM_60_70, T_NONSENSE_FROM_70_80,T_NONSENSE_FROM_80_90, T_NONSENSE_FROM_90_91,T_NONSENSE_FROM_91_92, T_NONSENSE_FROM_92_93,T_NONSENSE_FROM_93_94, T_NONSENSE_FROM_94_95,T_NONSENSE_FROM_95_96, T_NONSENSE_FROM_96_97,T_NONSENSE_FROM_97_98, T_NONSENSE_FROM_98_99,T_NONSENSE_FROM_99_100, T_QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: I got to see Powell talk in March 2001 at the beginning of his reign at the FCC. He said they were going to take a real hands off approach, so it's funny that they would blame the regulators for causing the collapse. One thing he did get right, is that he wasn't worried that the US was behind Europe in the wireless licensing spectrum. This is something very prescient in that most of those licensors have had to eat their lunch over the huge licensing costs they paid for very little benefit. His legacy was/is supposed to be rethinking the FCC's role to stay out of the way in this period of business innovation in the wireless space as he didn't want the government forcing business models onto the private sector. His full transcript is here [1]. Interestingly enough I got to see his speech in person as he was part of the whole CTIA'2001 Las Vegas keynote series of speakers. Clay and I hoped a flight out of Ontario to Las Vegas to do demo support for Craig Barrett [2]. His message was that there's no difference between wired and wireless Internet--it's all the same thing. Instead of scalable networks, we should be thinking about scalable content (& using Magi he showed sending a blue man tv commercial from a desktop to a laptop to an ipaq to a color smartphone with the content scaling back for each target platform). The best part of the whole trip wasn't hobnobbing at all, but really the fact that the Venetian had ran out of rooms. They decided to put us up in one of their $10,000/night high roller rooms. They put Clay in one and me in another. The Venetian is known for having the largest hotel rooms anywhere, but these ones were bigger than my whole house. 8-) Greg [1] http://www.fcc.gov/Speeches/Powell/2001/spmkp101.html [2] http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/speeches/cb20010320.htm Rohit Khare wrote: > I can't believe I actually read a laugh-out-loud funny profile of the > *FCC Commissioner* fer crissakes! So the following article comes > recommended, a fine explanation of Michael Powell's extraordinary > equivocation. > > On the other hand, I can also agree with Werbach's Werblog entry... Rohit > >> A Trip to F.C.C. World >> >> Nicholas Lemann has a piece in the New Yorker this week about FCC >> Chairman Michael Powell. It's one of the first articles I've seen >> that captures some of Powell's real personality, and the way he's >> viewed in Washington. Unfortunately, Lemann ends by endorsing >> conventional political wisdom. After describing how Powell isn't >> really a fire-breathing ideological conservative, he concludes that, >> in essence, Powell favors the inumbent local Bell telephone companies, >> while a Democratic FCC would favor new entrants. I know that's not >> how Powell sees the world, and though I disagree with him on many >> issues, I think he's right to resist the old dichotomy. >> >> The telecom collapse should be a humbling experience for anyone who >> went through it. The disaster wasn't the regulators' fault, as some >> conservatives argue. But something clearly went horribly wrong, and >> policy-makers should learn from that experience. Contrary to Lemann's >> speculation, the upstart carriers won't be successful in a Gore >> administration, because it's too late. Virtually all of them are >> dead, and Wall Street has turned off the capital tap for the >> foreseeable future. Some may survive, but as small players rather >> than world-dominators. >> >> The battle between CLECs and RBOCs that Lemann so astutely parodies is >> old news. The next important battle in telecom will be between those >> who want to stay within the traditional boxes, and those who use >> different models entirely. That's why open broadband networks and >> open spectrum are so important. Whatever the regulatory environment, >> there is going to be consolidation in telecom. Those left out in that >> consolidation will face increasing pressure to create new pipes into >> the home, or slowly die. The victors in the consolidation game will >> cut back on innovation and raise prices, which will create further >> pressure for alternatives. >> >> Lemann is right that policy-making looks much drier and more ambiguous >> on the ground than through the lens of history. But he's wrong in >> thinking that telecom's future will be something like its past. >> >> Friday, October 04, 2002 >> 11:17:11 AM comments {0} > > > ============================================================== > http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/021007fa_fact > > THE CHAIRMAN > by NICHOLAS LEMANN > He's the other Powell, and no one is sure what he's up to. > New Yorker, October 8, 2002 > > Last year, my middle son, in eighth grade and encountering his first > fairly serious American-history course, indignantly reported that the > whole subject was incomprehensible. I was shocked. What about Gettysburg > and the Declaration of Independence and the Selma-to-Montgomery march? > Just look at my textbook, he said, and when I did I saw his point. His > class had got up to the eighteen-forties. What I expected was a big > beefing up of the roles of Sacagawea and Crispus Attucks, and, in-deed, > there was some of that. But the main difference between my son's text > and that of my own childhood was that somebody had made the disastrous > decision to devote most of it to what had actually happened in American > history. There were pages and pages on tariffs and bank charters and > reciprocal trade agreements. I skipped ahead, past the Civil War, hoping > for easier going, only to encounter currency floats and the regulation > of freight rates. Only a few decades into the twentieth century did it > become possible to see the federal government's main function as > responding to dramatic crises and launching crusades for social justice, > instead of attempting to referee competing claims from economic interests. > > Even now, if one were to reveal what really goes on behind the pretty > speeches and the sanctimonious hearings in Washington, what you'd find > is thousands of lawyers and lobbyists madly vying for advantage, not so > much over the public as over each other: agribusiness versus real > estate, banks versus insurance companies, and so on. The arena in which > this competition mainly takes place is regulatory agencies and > commissions and the congressional committees that supervise them. It's > an insider's game, less because the players are secretive than because > the public and the press�encouraged by the players, who speak in jargon� > can't get themselves interested. > > One corner of Washington might be called F.C.C. World, for the Federal > Communications Commission. F.C.C. World has perhaps five thousand > denizens. They work at the commission itself, at the House and Senate > commerce committees, and at the Washington offices of the companies that > the commission regulates. They read Communications Daily (subscription > price: $3,695 a year), and every year around Christmastime they > grumblingly attend the Chairman's Dinner, at a Washington hotel, where > the high point of the evening is a scripted, supposedly self-deprecating > comedy routine by the commission's chairman. > > Of all the federal agencies and commissions, the F.C.C. is the one that > Americans ought to be most interested in; after all, it is involved with > a business sector that accounts for about fifteen per cent of the > American economy, as well as important aspects of daily life�telephone > and television and radio and newspapers and the Internet. And right now > F.C.C. World is in, if not a crisis, at least a very soapy lather, > because a good portion of what the angry public thinks of as the > "corporate scandals" concerns the economic collapse of companies > regulated by the F.C.C. Qwest, WorldCom, Adelphia, and Global Crossing, > among others, are (or were) part of F.C.C. World. AOL Time Warner is > part of F.C.C. World. Jack Grubman, the former Salomon Smith Barney > analyst who seems to have succeeded Kenneth Lay, of Enron, as the > embodiment of the corporate scandals, is part of F.C.C. World. In the > past two years, companies belonging to F.C.C. World have lost trillions > of dollars in stock-market valuation, and have collectively served as a > dead weight pulling down the entire stock market. > > This year, an alarmed and acerbic anonymous memorandum about the state > of the F.C.C. has been circulating widely within F.C.C. World. It evokes > F.C.C. World's feverish mood ("The F.C.C. is fiddling while Rome burns") > and suggests why nobody besides residents of F.C.C. World has thought of > the commission in connection with the corporate scandals. The sentence I > just quoted is followed by this explanation: "The ILECs appear likely to > enter all l.d. markets within twelve months, while losing virtually no > residential customers to attackers since 1996, and suffering about 10% > market share loss in business lines to CLECs." It's a lot easier to > think about evil C.E.O.s than to decipher that. > > > Even in good times, F.C.C. World pays obsessive attention to the > commission's chairman. In bad times, the attention becomes especially > intense; and when the chairman is a celebrity F.C.C. World devotes > itself to full-time chairman-watching. The current chairman, Michael > Powell, is a celebrity, at least by government-official standards, > because he is the only son of Colin Powell, the Secretary of State. > Unlike his father, he has a kind of mesmerizing ambiguity, which > generates enormous, and at times apoplectically toned, speculation about > who he really is and what he's really up to. Powell is young to be the > head of a federal agency�he is thirty-nine�and genially charming. > Everybody likes him. Before becoming chairman, he was for three years > one of the F.C.C.'s five commissioners; not only is he fluent in the > F.C.C.'s incomprehensible patois, he has a Clintonesque love of the > arcane details of communications policy. He's always saying that he's an > "avid moderate." And yet he has a rage-inciting quality. One of his > predecessors as chairman, Reed Hundt, quoted in Forbes, compared Powell > to Herbert Hoover. Mark Cooper, of the Consumer Federation of America, > calls him "radical and extreme." Just as often as he's accused of being > a right-wing ideologue, Powell gets accused of being paralytically > cautious. "It ain't about singing 'Kum-Ba-Yah' around the campfire," > another former chairman, William Kennard, says. "You have to have an > answer." One day last spring, Powell, testifying before a Senate > subcommittee, delivered an anodyne opening statement, and the > subcommittee's chairman, Ernest Hollings, of South Carolina, berated > him. "You don't care about these regulations," Hollings said. "You don't > care about the law or what Congress sets down. . . . That's the > fundamental. That's the misgiving I have of your administration over > there. It just is amazing to me. You just pell-mell down the road and > seem to not care at all. I think you'd be a wonderful executive > vice-president of a chamber of commerce, but not a chairman of a > regulatory commission at the government level. Are you happy in your job?" > > "Extremely," Powell said, with an amiable smile. > > > One cannot understand Powell's maddening effect, at least on Democrats > and liberal activists, without understanding not just the stated purpose > of the commission he chairs but also its real purpose. The F.C.C. was > created by Congress in 1934, but it existed in prototype well before the > New Deal, because it performs a function that is one of the classic easy > cases for government intervention in the private economy: making sure > that broadcasters stick to their assigned spots on the airwaves. Its > other original function was preventing American Telephone & Telegraph, > the national monopoly phone company, from treating its customers > unfairly. Over the decades, as F.C.C. World grew up into a comfortable, > well-established place, the F.C.C. segued into the role of industrial > supervision�its real purpose. It was supposed to manage the competition > among communications companies so that it didn't become too bloody, by > artfully deciding who would be allowed to enter what line of business. > In addition to looking out for the public's interest, the commission > more specifically protected the interests of members of Congress, many > of whom regard the media companies in their districts as the single most > terrifying category of interest group�you can cross the local bank > president and live to tell the tale, but not the local broadcaster. > According to an oft-told F.C.C. World anecdote, President Clinton once > blocked an attempt to allow television stations to buy daily newspapers > in the same city because, he said, if the so-and-so who owned the > anti-Clinton Little Rock Democrat-Gazette had owned the leading TV > station in Little Rock, too, Clinton would never have become President. > > > F.C.C. World may have been con tentious, but it was settled, too, > because all the reasonably powerful players had created secure economic > niches for themselves. Then, in the nineteen-eighties, the successful > breakup of A.T. & T.�by far the biggest and most important company the > commission regulated�deposited a thick additional sediment of > self-confidence onto the consciousness of F.C.C. World. A generation > ago, for most Americans, there was one local phone company, one > long-distance company, and one company that manufactured telephones, > which customers were not permitted to own�and they were all the same > company. It was illegal to plug any device into a phone line. By the > mid-nineteen-nineties, there were a dozen economically viable local > phone companies, a handful of national long-distance companies competing > to offer customers the lowest price and best service, and stores > everywhere selling telephone equipment from many manufacturers�and > millions of Americans had a fax machine and a modem operating over the > telephone lines. A.T. & T. had argued for years that it was a "natural > monopoly," requiring protection from economic competition and total > control over its lines. So much for that argument. Over the same period, > the F.C.C. had assisted in the birth of cable television and cell phones > and the Internet. It was the dream of federal-agency success come true: > consumers vastly better served, and the industry much bigger and more > prosperous, too. > > The next big step was supposed to be the Telecommunications Act of 1996, > one of those massive, endlessly lobbied-over pieces of legislation which > most people outside F.C.C. World probably felt it was safe to ignore. > Although the Telecom Act sailed under the rhetorical banner of > modernization and deregulation, its essence was a grand interest-group > bargain, in which the local phone companies, known to headline writers > as "baby Bells" and to F.C.C. World as "arbocks" (the pronounced version > of RBOCs, or regional Bell operating companies), would be permitted to > offer long-distance service in exchange for letting the long-distance > companies and smaller new phone companies use their lines to compete for > customers. Consumers would win, because for the first time they would > get the benefits of competition in local service while getting even more > competition than they already had in long distance. But the politics and > economics of the Telecom Act (which was shepherded through Congress by > Vice-President Gore) were just as important. Democrats saw the act as > helping to reposition them as the technology party�the party that > brought the Internet into every home, created hundreds of thousands of > jobs in new companies, and, not least, set off an investment boom whose > beneficiaries might become the party's new contributor base. Clinton's > slogans about the "information superhighway" and "building a bridge to > the twenty-first century," which, like all Clinton slogans, artfully > sent different messages to different constituencies, were the rhetorical > correlates of the Telecom Act, and Gore's cruise to the Presidency was > supposed to be powered substantially by the act's success. > > The F.C.C. had a crucial role in all this. The arbocks are rich, > aggressive, politically powerful, and generally Republican (though like > all important interest groups they work with both parties); they > immediately filed lawsuits, which wound up tying the hands of their new > competitors in the local phone market for more than three years. Through > rule-making, enforcement, and litigation, the F.C.C., then headed by > Reed Hundt, who was Gore's classmate at St. Albans, was supposed to keep > the arbocks in their cages, so that not only long-distance companies > like A.T. & T. and MCI WorldCom but also a whole category of new > companies, "see-lecks" (the pronounced version of CLECs, or competitive > local exchange carriers), could emerge. This entailed the regulatory > equivalent of hand-to-hand combat: the see-leck is supposed to have > access to the arbock's switching equipment, the arbock won't give the > seeleck a key to the room where it's kept, so the see-leck asks the > F.C.C. to rule that the arbock has to give it the key. > > Partly because Hundt assured the see-lecks and other new companies that > he would protect them, and partly because of the generally booming > condition of the economy then, investment capital flooded into the > see-lecks�companies with names like Winstar, Covad, and Teligent�and > into other telecommunications companies. Even not obviously related > technology companies like Cisco Systems benefitted from the telecom > boom: demand for their products was supposed to come from the see-lecks > and other new players. There would be no conflict between the interests > of the new telecom companies and those of consumers; as one of Hundt's > former lieutenants told me, "Reed used to joke that my job was to make > sure that all prices went down and all stocks went up." > > > The years following the passage of the Telecom Act were the peak of the > boom. Wall Street had its blood up, and that meant not just more > startups but also more mergers of existing communications companies: > Time Warner and AOL decided to throw in together, and A.T. & T. and > Comcast, and so on. (Surely, WorldCom and the other telecom bad guys > believed that their self-dealing, stock-overselling, and creative > accounting would go unnoticed because the market was so undiscriminating.) > > By the time the outcome of the 2000 Presidential election had been > determined, the telecom crash was well under way. Nonetheless, the > chairmanship of the F.C.C. remained one of the best jobs, in terms of > influence and visibility, available to a career government regulator. > Three Republicans emerged as candidates: Powell, who was a commissioner; > Harold Furchtgott-Roth, the farthest-to-the-right commissioner; and > Patrick Wood, the head of the Texas Public Utility Commission and, as > such, a George W. Bush guy. In Texas, however, Wood had crossed the most > powerful person in the arbock camp, Edward Whitacre, the C.E.O. of > S.B.C. Communications, which is headquartered in San Antonio. This meant > that the arbocks didn't want Wood as head of the F.C.C., because he > might be too pro-see-leck. (Wood is now the head of the Federal Energy > Regulatory Commission.) Michael Powell had to signal the arbocks that he > wasn't as threatening as Wood, while also signalling the conservative > movement that he was only negligibly farther to the left than > Furchtgott-Roth. > > Powell did this deftly. For example, in December of 2000 he appeared > before a conservative group called the Progress & Freedom Foundation and > gave a very Michael Powell speech�whimsical, intellectual, and > free-associative (Biblical history, Joseph Schumpeter, Moore's Law)�that > began by making fun of the idea that the F.C.C. should try to keep new > telecom companies alive. "In the wake of the 1996 Act, the F.C.C. is > often cast as the Grinch who stole Christmas," Powell said. "Like the > Whos, down in Who-ville, who feast on Who-pudding and rare Who-roast > beast, the communications industry was preparing to feast on the > deregulatory fruits it believed would inevitably sprout from the Act's > fertile soil. But this feast the F.C.C. Grinch did not like in the > least, so it is thought." Thus Powell was indicating that if he became > chairman he didn't expect to administer first aid to the see-lecks as > part of the job. He was appointed to the chairmanship on the first day > of the Bush Administration. > > Twenty months into the Administration, nearly all the see-lecks are dead > or dying; nearly all long-distance companies, not just WorldCom, are in > serious trouble; cable companies have lost half their value; satellite > companies are staggering. The crash has had an automatically > concentrating effect, because as new companies die the existing > companies' market share increases, and, if the existing companies are in > good shape financially, they have the opportunity to pick up damaged > companies at bargain prices. During the Bush Administration, as the > financial carnage in communications has worsened, the communications > industry has moved in the direction of more concentration. If the Bells > wind up protecting their regional monopolies in local phone service, and > if they also merge, the country will be on its way to having a national > duopoly in local service: Verizon, in the East, and S.B.C., in the West. > And these companies could dominate long distance as well, because of the > poor health of the long-distance companies. > > The cable business also seems close to having two dominant national > companies, AOL Time Warner and Comcast. Unlike the phone companies, they > don't have to share their wiring with other companies and so can more > fully control what material they allow to enter people's homes. As part > of the complicated bargaining with interest groups that led to the 1996 > Telecom Act, the limits on concentration in the radio industry were > significantly loosened, and in the past six years the number of > radio-station owners in the United States has been cut by twenty-five > per cent; today, a large portion of local and national radio news > programming is supplied by a single company, Westwood One, a subsidiary > of Viacom. > > In this situation, many Democrats and liberals think, the F.C.C. should > be hyperactive�the superhero of government regulation, springing to the > rescue of both consumers and the communications industry. It should try > to breathe life into the see-lecks and other new companies. It should > disallow mergers, maintain ownership limits, and otherwise restrain the > forces of concentration. It should use the government's money and muscle > to get new technology�especially fast Internet connections�into the > homes of people who can't afford it at current market prices. (An > analogy that a lot of people in F.C.C. World make is between telecom and > the Middle East: the Clinton people blame the bloodshed on the Bush > people, because they disengaged when they came into office, and the Bush > people blame it on the Clinton people, because they raised too many > expectations and stirred too many passions.) > > But Michael Powell's F.C.C. has not been hyperactive. Powell has been > conducting internal policy reviews and reforming the management of the > F.C.C. and waiting for the federal courts and the Congress to send him > signals. (In mid-September, Powell finally initiated a formal review of > the F.C.C.'s limits on media concentration.) This doesn't mean he has > been inactive; rather, he has been active in a way that further > infuriates his critics�in a manner that smoothly blends the genial and > the provocative, he muses about whether the fundamental premises of > F.C.C. World really make sense, while giving the impression that he's > having the time of his life as chairman. At his first press conference, > when he was asked what he was going to do about the "digital > divide"�that is, economic inequality in access to the Internet�he said, > "You know, I think there is a Mercedes divide. I'd like to have one and > I can't afford one." At the National Cable & Telecommunications > Association convention, in Chicago, Powell, following a troupe of > tumblers to the stage, interrupted his walk to the podium to perform a > somersault. > > > Not long ago, I went to see Powell in his office at the F.C.C. Until > 1998, when the commission moved to a new building in Southwest > Washington, near the city's open-air fish market, F.C.C. World was at > the western edge of downtown, where everybody would encounter everybody > else at a few familiar restaurants and bars. Today, the F.C.C. building > looks like the office of a mortgage company in a suburban office park. > Even the chairman's suite, though large, is beige, carpeted, and > fluorescent. Powell is a bulky man who wears gold-rimmed glasses and > walks with a pronounced limp, the result of injuries he suffered in a > jeep accident in Germany, in 1987, when he was an Army officer. Because > of the accident, he left the Army and went to law school, where he > became entranced with conservative ideas about regulation, particularly > the idea that the government, rather than trying to correct the flaws of > the market before the fact�"prophylactically," as he likes to say�should > wait till the flaws manifest themselves and then use antitrust > litigation to fix them. He worked briefly at a corporate law firm, and > then became a prot�g� of Joel Klein, the head of the antitrust division > of the Clinton Justice Department and the man who led the government's > legal case against Microsoft. (He was recently appointed chancellor of > the New York public-school system.) It testifies to Powell's political > skill that he is probably the only high official in the Bush > Administration who not only served in the Clinton Administration but > also maintains close ties to Bush's nemesis Senator John McCain, of > Arizona. One of the things about Powell that annoy people is his > enduring love of law school�"It's sort of like a law-school study > session over there," one Democratic former commissioner said. As if to > confirm the charge, Powell, when I arrived, introduced me to four law > students, summer interns at the commission, whom he'd invited to sit in. > > I began by asking Powell whether he agreed with the founding assumptions > of the F.C.C. For example, could private companies have apportioned the > airwaves among themselves without the government being involved? > > "I think we'll never know," Powell said. "I don't think it's an > automatically bad idea, the way some people will argue. Land is probably > the best analogue. We don't seize all the land in the United States and > say, 'The government will issue licenses to use land.' If my neighbor > puts a fence one foot onto my property line, there's a whole body of law > about what I can do about that, including whether I can tear it down. If > a wireless company was interfering with another wireless company, it's a > similar proposition. There are scholars who argue�indeed, the famous > Ronald Coase treatise that won the Nobel Prize was about this�that > spectrum policy is lunacy. The market could work this out, in the kinds > of ways that we're accustomed to." > > Talking to Powell was fun. Unlike most high government officials, he > doesn't seem to be invested in appearing dignified or commanding. He > slumps in his chair and fiddles with his tie and riffs. He speaks in > ironic air quotes. He's like your libertarian friend in college who > enjoyed staying up all night asking impertinent rhetorical questions > about aspects of life that everybody else takes for granted but that he > sees as sentimental or illogical. After a while, I asked him whether he > thought his predecessors' excitement about the 1996 Telecommunications > Act had been excessive. > > "I would start with a caveat," Powell said. "Look, I can't fault those > judgments in and of themselves, given the time and what people thought. > They were not the only ones who were hysterical about the opportunities. > But, frankly, I've always been a little bit critical. First of all, > anybody who works with the act knows that it doesn't come anywhere close > to matching the hyperbole that was associated with it, by the President > on down, about the kinds of things it's going to open up. I mean, I > don't know what provisions are the information-superhighway provisions, > or what provisions are so digitally oriented, or some of the things that > were a big part of the theatre of its introduction. When one starts > reading the details, one searches, often in vain, for these provisions. > But, nonetheless, there was a rising dot-com excitement, and an Internet > excitement, and people thought this was historic legislation, and it > certainly was. > > "But. We were sucking helium out of balloons, with the kinds of > expectations that were being bandied around, and this is before the > economy or the market even gets in trouble. It was a dramatically > exaggerated expectation�by the leadership of the commission, by > politicians, by the market itself, by companies themselves. It was a > gold rush, and led to some very detrimental business decisions, ones > that government encouraged by its policies, frankly. Everybody wanted to > see numbers go up on the board." > > Powell began imitating an imagined true believer in the Telecom Act. " > 'I want to see ten competitors. Twenty competitors! I want to see > thirty-per-cent market share. Fifty-per-cent market share! I want the > Bells to bleed! Then we'll know we've succeeded.' " Now Powell returned > to being Powell. "I think that expectation was astonishingly > unrealistic, in the short term. They wanted to see it while they're > there. We were starting to get drunk on the juice we were drinking. And > the market was getting drunk on the juice we were drinking. There's no > question, we went too soon too fast. Too many companies took on too much > debt too fast before the market really had a product, or a business model." > > How could the Telecom Act have been handled better? "We could have > chosen policies that were less hellbent on a single objective, and were > slightly more balanced and put more economic discipline in the system," > Powell said. "Money chased what seemed like government-promised > opportunity. The problem with that is there's a morning after, and we're > in it. And the problem is there is no short fix for this problem. This > debt is going to take years to bring down to a realistic level. In some > ways, for short-term gain, we paid a price in long-term stability." > > Powell went on to say that it might have turned out differently if there > had been a more "reasonable" level of investment. "No, we wouldn't have > every home in America with competitive choice yet�but we don't anyway. I > don't think it's the remonopolization of telephone service. I don't buy > that. The Bells will prosper, but did anybody believe they wouldn't? The > part of the story that didn't materialize was that people thought so > would MCI WorldCom and Sprint." > > Other local phone companies, he added, hadn't materialized as viable > businesses, either, and they never might. "Everybody's always saying, > 'The regulators did this and this and this.' But, candidly, the story's > quite the opposite. I think the regulators bent over backward for six > years to give them a chance. Conditions don't get that good except once > every thirty years, and it didn't happen. So, whatever the reason, we're > looking at a WorldCom that's teetering. We're looking at a long-distance > business that has had a rapid decline in its revenue base. A.T. & T. is > breaking itself up. Sprint has struggled." > > Could the F.C.C. have done anything to make the long-distance companies > stronger? "At the F.C.C.? I think I'll just be blunt. My political > answer? Yes, there's all kinds of things we can do at the margin to try > to help. But I can't find thirty billion dollars for WorldCom somewhere. > I can't mitigate the impacts of an accounting scandal and an S.E.C. > investigation. Were I king, it would be wonderful, but I don't have > those kinds of levers. I don't know whether anybody does. At some point, > companies are expected to run themselves in a way that keeps them from > dying." Powell couldn't have made it much clearer that he doesn't think > it's his responsibility to do anything about the telecom crash. He has > demonstrated his sure political touch by making accommodationist > gestures�in August, for example, five months after disbanding the > F.C.C.'s Accounting Safeguards Division, Powell announced that he was > appointing a committee to study accounting standards in the > communications industry. But that shows that Powell is better at riding > out the storm than, say, Harvey Pitt, his counterpart at the Securities > and Exchange Commission, and does not mean that he plans to try to shore > up the telecom industry. > > I asked Powell if it would bother him if, for most people, only one > company provided cable television and only one provided local phone > service. "Yes," he said. "It concerns us that there's one of each of > those things, but let's not diminish the importance of there being one > of each of those things. That still is a nice suite of communications > capabilities, even if they aren't direct analogues of each other." > Anyway, Powell said, before long the phone companies will be able to > provide video service over their lines, and the cable companies will > provide data service over their lines, so there will be more choice. > "So, yeah, we have this anxiety: we have one of everything. The question > is, Does it stay that way?" > > The concentration of ownership and the concentrated control of > information did not appear to trouble Powell, either. He said that > people confuse bigness, which brings many benefits, with concentration, > which distorts markets. "If this were just economics, it's easy. If you > were to say to me, 'Mike, just worry about economic concentration,' we > know how to do that�the econometrics of antitrust. I can tell you when a > market's too concentrated and prices are going to rise. The problem is > other dimensions, like political, ideological, sometimes emotional. Take > the question of, if everybody's controlling what you see, the assumption > there is that somehow there'll be this viewpoint, a monolithic > viewpoint, pushed on you by your media and you won't get diversity. I > think that's a possibility. I don't think it's nearly the possibility > that's ascribed to it sometimes." > > Powell explained, "Sometimes when we see very pointed political or > parochial programming, it gets attacked as unfair. I see some of the > same people who claim they want diversity go crazy when Rush Limbaugh > exists. They love diversity, but somehow we should run Howard Stern off > the planet. If it has a point of view, then it becomes accused of bias, > and then we have policies like"�here his tone went from ironic to > sarcastic�"the fairness doctrine, which seems to me like the antithesis > of what I thought those people cared about. So when somebody is pointed > and opinionated, we do all this stuff in the name of journalistic > fairness and integrity or whatever, to make them balance it out." > > > F.C.C. World abounds in theories about Michael Powell. One is that he > can't make up his mind about how to address the crisis in the industries > he regulates�so he talks (and talks and talks) flamboyantly about the > market, in order to buy himself time. Another is that he's carrying > water for the arbocks and the big cable companies. Another is that he is > planning to run for the Senate from Virginia (or to be appointed > Attorney General in a second Bush term), and doesn't want to do anything > at the F.C.C. that would diminish his chances. Another is that he's > waiting to move until there is more consensus on some course of action, > so that he doesn't wind up going first and getting caught in the > crossfire between the arbocks and the cable companies and the television > networks. (In F.C.C. World, this is known as the Powell Doctrine of > Telecom, after Colin Powell's idea that the United States should never > commit itself militarily without a clear objective, overwhelming force, > and an exit strategy.) And another is that he actually believes what he > says, and thinks the telecommunications crash is natural, healthy, and > irreversible, and more concentration would be just fine. > > "This is why elections matter," Reed Hundt, who isn't happy about what > has become of his Telecom Act, told me. It's true that the F.C.C.�much > more than, say, the war in Afghanistan�is a case in which a Gore > Administration would be acting quite differently from the Bush > Administration. Consumers might have noticed the difference by now, but > there's no question whether communications companies have noticed. The > arbocks are doing better against their internal rivals than they would > have done if Gore had won. Next election, they'll help the party that > helped them. If the Republicans win, policy will tilt further in the > arbocks' favor. If they lose, perhaps the arbocks' rivals�the > long-distance companies and the telecommunications upstarts�with their > friends now in power, will stage a comeback. America's present is not > unrecognizably different from America's past. > > -- Gregory Alan Bolcer, CTO | work: +1.949.833.2800 gbolcer at endeavors.com | http://endeavors.com Endeavors Technology, Inc.| cell: +1.714.928.5476

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From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Oct 10 12:34:51 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BD316F20 for <jm@localhost>; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:33:33 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:33:33 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9A6HqK11334 for <jm@jmason.org>; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:17:53 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC8E2940B3; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from slc02.smtp.stsn.com (p5.n-usslc14.stsn.com [12.23.74.5]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783F529409A for <fork@xent.com>; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ianbell.com ([10.16.39.92]) by slc02.smtp.stsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 00:16:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Fwd: [POLITICOS] Re: "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday From: Ian Andrew Bell <fork@ianbell.com> To: fork@example.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1271ABB6-DC18-11D6-B3AB-0030657C53EA@ianbell.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) X-Originalarrivaltime: 10 Oct 2002 06:16:04.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[83132A00:01C27024] Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:18:20 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FWD_MSG,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, T_NONSENSE_FROM_00_10,T_NONSENSE_FROM_10_20, T_NONSENSE_FROM_20_30,T_NONSENSE_FROM_30_40, T_NONSENSE_FROM_40_50,T_NONSENSE_FROM_50_60, T_NONSENSE_FROM_60_70,T_NONSENSE_FROM_70_80, T_NONSENSE_FROM_80_90,T_NONSENSE_FROM_90_91, T_NONSENSE_FROM_91_92,T_NONSENSE_FROM_92_93, T_NONSENSE_FROM_93_94,T_NONSENSE_FROM_94_95, T_NONSENSE_FROM_95_96,T_NONSENSE_FROM_96_97, T_NONSENSE_FROM_97_98,T_NONSENSE_FROM_98_99, T_NONSENSE_FROM_99_100,T_QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,UNSUB_PAGE, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: Begin forwarded message: > From: Ian Andrew Bell <hello@ianbell.com> > Date: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:16:09 PM US/Pacific > To: mike@michaelmoore.com > Cc: foib@ianbell.com > Subject: [POLITICOS] Re: "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday > > Michael, > > Why is it that people who consider voting in an election an > inconvenience would go to see a movie to show support for its message? > Don't get me wrong -- I think this is the case. People will go to > see your movie as much to be entertained and informed as they will to > express their malice and discontent towards not only the present > regime in America, but also the corrupt, empty, shallow pantomime > which cast them into power. > > In reality, today the voting that takes place via the act of > consumption far outweighs the impact caused by people going to a booth > and dimpling the appropriate chad, or some other such convoluted act > of free democratic expression. > > Why? Because in America, they believe in dollars. Dollars don't lie. > In practise, they are the last frontier of truth in America, > universally accepted as expressions of fear, desire, passion, and > need. Compared to the swing of the almighty buck, and Jeb Bush knows > this, a hanging chad has only the nethermost meaning. > > Given that fact, I modestly propose an entirely new, though wholly > logical, extension to the current democratic system in place in > America: > > I propose we augment, and effectively replace, the electoral system > with a political stock market. We should accept that Politicians are > entrepreneurs just like any other businessperson in America, and > embrace this fact in building an economic system which truly reflects > their intent. A politician should issue a constant number of shares > dependent upon his tenure in government. Those shares should be > traded on an open exchange, say the G.R.E.E.D. (short, of course, for > the "Global Realists' Electoral Exchange -- Democratic"). Politicians > we believe in will see their stocks rise higher as faith in their > ability to maintain office grows. As the truth about their embezzling > campaign funds for weekend trips to Maui with their interns is > revealed, of course, their fortunes will fall. > > This represents an opportunity for the market forces -- those same > forces which you intend to harness to express your own personal > protest -- to voice their opinion on the quality of America's > governance during the intervening four years between elections. > Elections themselves will in effect become meaningless, as they are > now, since their outcome will be influenced by the stock price of each > and every congressman, senator, and presidential candidate. > > Just think of the coverage that could be given on MSNBC! "Strom > Thurman (STROM: news - quotes) was down 15% today on fears that his > latest heart operation will render him unable to attend Senate Armed > Services committee meetings until November.." This would provide > rejuvenating content to the econo-political news sector, which has > found post-economic-bubble coverage to be both tiresome and > deoressing. The establishment of this new stock exchange would of > course create jobs for newly unemployed (and governmentally retrained) > IT systems engineers who could, after passing the electoral securities > exam, become floor traders. > > This would also allow for a convenient and very public method by which > candidates could raise capital in the public markets to support their > multi-billion-dollar campaigns. The requirement for the support of > legions of spin doctors, permanent campaign managers, and investor > relations personnel would also create jobs -- perhaps even a new > practice for Ernst & Young, Arthur Anderson, et al. Insider trading > scandals and misleading revenue declarations would of course catch > Martha Stewart as an unwitting beneficiary, thus spreading her > influence to politics. > > Dividends, if there are any on record, at the close of a politician's > career could be paid to current shareholders based on the holdings. > Pensions funds could provide the institutional investment support > necessary to underpin even the biggest dogs among the Beltway set. > Union funds, brokerages, and even pump-and-dump houses could benefit > from meteoric rises in conservative candidates running in the > Southeast, and the Bush Governmet would be allowed to place Social > Security bets where they really mattered. investors who lose their > retirement, life savings, and support could rest assured that they > were indeed robbed by crooks rather than poor investors. > > Although there's no way to protect any of these for Worldcom-like > crashes, ambitious, inspired, District Attorneys could file criminal > suits against Candidates and Campaign Managers who underperform > expectations, thus assuring investors that their logic was not faulty > -- instead, they were merely defrauded by crooks and thieves. > > On the whole, I believe the system could work. I could certainly work > as well as our beloved securities trading industry and, given the > American electoral system's success at effectively expressing the will > of the people, it certainly couldn't do any worse... > > In the meantime, Mike, I think I'll go see your movie and try to > depose the President. > > -Ian. > > > > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 03:53 PM, Michael Moore's Mailing > List wrote: > >> October 9, 2002 >> >> My Film, "Bowling for Columbine," Opens This Friday >> >> Dear friends, fans, and fellow evildoers: >> >> I am very happy and excited to tell you that this Friday, October 11, >> my >> new >> film, "Bowling for Columbine," will open in New York and Los Angeles. >> >> It is, I promise, the last thing the Bushies want projected on the >> movie >> screens across America this week. The film is, first and foremost, a >> devastating indictment of the violence that is done in our name for >> profit >> and power -- and no one, in all the advance screenings I have >> attended, has >> left the theatre with anything short of rage. I truly believe this >> film has >> the potential to rock the nation and get people energized to do >> something. >> >> This is not good news for Junior and Company. Not when they are >> trying to >> drag us into another war. Not when a crazed sniper is exercising his >> constitutional right to own a high-powered rifle. Not when John >> Ashcroft is >> still prohibiting the FBI from looking through the gun background >> check >> files to see if any of the 19 hijackers or their associates purchased >> any >> weapons prior to 9/11 -- because THAT, we are told, would "violate" >> these >> terrorists' sacred Second Amendment rights! >> >> Yes, I believe this movie can create a lot of havoc -- but I will >> need ALL >> of you to help me do this. Are you game? >> >> Last February 5th, I wrote to tell you about a book I had written and >> how >> the publisher had decided to dump it because they were afraid to >> publish >> anything critical of Bush after 9/11. I appealed to you to save >> "Stupid >> White Men" from the shredder and to go out and buy it. I promised you >> would >> not regret it, and that the book would not only be a great read but an >> important organizing tool in gumming up the plans of George W. Bush. >> >> Within 24 hours, the book went to #1 on the Amazon best seller list. >> By the >> fifth day, the book was already into its 9th printing. The publisher >> was >> torn between its desire to kill the book or make a wad of money. >> Greed won >> out, and this Sunday the book enters its 31st week on the New York >> Times >> best seller list -- and its 32nd printing. This is all because of >> you, my >> crazy and loyal friends. You made this happen, against all the odds. >> >> Now I would like to ask you again to help me with my latest work, >> "Bowling >> for Columbine." It's a movie that many critics have already called my >> best >> film to date. They may be right. It is certainly the most provocative >> thing >> I have ever done. I have spent three years on it and, I have to say, >> it >> cuts >> deeper, harder and funnier that anything I have given you so far. >> >> The movie opens this Friday in New York and Los Angeles, and then in >> 8 more >> cities next week. How it does in these first ten cities will determine >> whether or not the rest of the country gets to see it. That is the >> nutty >> way >> our films are released. If it doesn't have a big opening weekend, you >> can >> kiss the film good-bye. Therefore, this weekend, this film must be >> seen by >> millions of Americans. Can you help me make that happen? >> >> "Bowling for Columbine" is not a film simply about guns or school >> shootings. >> That is only the starting point for my 2-hour journey into the dark >> soul of >> a country that is both victim and master of an enormous amount of >> violence, >> both at home and around the world. With this movie I have broadened my >> canvas to paint a portrait of our nation at the beginning of the 21st >> century, a nation that seems hell-bent on killing first and asking >> questions >> later. It is a movie about the state sponsored acts of violence and >> terrorism against our own poor, and how we have created a culture of >> fear >> that is based on the racial dilemma we continue to ignore. And it's a >> devastating comedy. >> >> This film is going to upset some pretty big apple carts. No film has >> EVER >> said the things I am saying in "Bowling for Columbine." I expect to be >> attacked. I expect certain theatres will not show it for fear of >> retribution. I expect that this movie will be a bitter pill for many >> to >> swallow. >> >> This is why I need your help. Movies live or die based on what >> happens at >> the box office the first weekend of its release. I need you, if you >> live in >> the New York or L.A. area, to go see "Bowling for Columbine" this >> Friday >> and >> Saturday -- and take as many family members and friends with you as >> possible. I guarantee you will not be disappointed -- and you may >> just see >> one of the best films of the year. >> >> Monday night in Times Square, "Bowling for Columbine" had its >> premiere. The >> crowd was amazing, as it was this past Saturday night at the Chicago >> Film >> Festival. The audience kept laughing or hooting or applauding so loud >> throughout the film that it was hard to hear the next line. >> >> The hate mail, the threats, the promises of retribution have already >> started >> to roll in to the distributor of this movie, United Artists. They are >> not >> backing down. But how long will this last? I need all of you in the >> New >> York >> tri-state and southern California areas to go see "Bowling for >> Columbine" >> THIS weekend -- the rest of you can see it in a couple of weeks when >> it >> comes to your town. A strong opening not only means that the rest of >> America >> will see this film, it means that a good number of people who see it >> are >> going to leave the film angry enough to get active and get involved. >> If it >> does poorly, I will have a difficult time finding the funding for the >> movie >> I want to make next -- a film about 9/11 and how Bush is using that >> tragic >> day as a cover for his right-wing agenda. >> >> Don't let that happen. Don't let the NRA have one more success by >> stopping >> the wider distribution of this movie. And, together, let us not remain >> silent in our opposition to Bush's phony war against Iraq. >> >> If you live in New York, you can see it at the Lincoln Plaza, the >> Sunshine >> and the Loews 19th St. In L.A., you can catch it at the Sunset 5, the >> Westwood Regent, Laemmle Sunset, Laemmle Towncenter (Encino), Landmark >> Rialto (Pasadena), and Regal University (Irvine). Also, please >> forward this >> to your other friends and tell them to go see "Bowling for Columbine" >> this >> weekend. >> >> And finally, don't miss our new website www.bowlingforcolumbine.com >> >> Thank you for your help with this. I feel so honored and privileged >> to have >> so many people interested in my work. Last January I was getting >> 70,000 >> hits >> a month on my website. Last month, I got 17 million hits. This alone >> speaks >> volumes about the vast majority all of us belong to who are sick and >> tired >> of what is going on and are longing for an alternative source of >> information. >> >> I hope that you enjoy "Bowling for Columbine." >> >> Thank you again... >> >> Yours, >> >> Michael Moore >> >> --- >> >> If you wish to be be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please >> click the >> link below and follow the instructions. >> >> http://www.michaelmoore.com/mailing/unsubscribe.php >

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 16:02:02 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EB244155 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:59:54 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QEStZ24764 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:28:56 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF9B3F3B0; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AFC3EB8D for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QES2e11973 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:28:02 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QES2Y11967 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:28:02 -0400 Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com (IDENT:OLfls4QDQmj2faeCmXKPqkGx1QJwp7Af@jump-austin.vircio.com [192.12.3.99]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QEDBl04826 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:13:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 1431 invoked by uid 104); 26 Aug 2002 14:28:01 -0000 Received: from cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com by localhost.localdomain with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4219. . 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X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.1 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --==_Exmh_-695163552P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:00:18 +0700 > > Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:58:20 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030550301.a24bc5@DeepEddy.Com> > Message-ID: <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > | Interesting...I don't think this was my bug. > | It appears that Msg_Change was asked to change to message "-". > > Something like that is quite possible, but perviously typing nonsense > in didn't cause tracebacks, and now it does, and the traceback came > from the sequence code... > > Perviously this would have just caused red messages in the status > line complaining about my lousy typing. That's probably what it > should keep on doing (the "red" part isn't important obviously..) Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-695163552P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ajrsK9b4h5R0IUIRAmd+AJ9WU9Wzf7ey0YYYTpYGcyJfpZuUFwCfX4CN KE8fxn3ZKKmtJCWgS2fXK/w= =enN3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-695163552P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:50 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC0647C6E for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:55 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N1LTZ03723 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:21:29 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D262940E7; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from hotmail.com (f160.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.160]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D1D294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:20:23 -0700 Received: from 216.30.74.2 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:20:23 GMT X-Originating-Ip: [216.30.74.2] From: "Russell Turpin" <deafbox@hotmail.com> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: The case for spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-Id: <F160luCBcKfExvWvqzA00000209@hotmail.com> X-Originalarrivaltime: 23 Aug 2002 01:20:23.0609 (UTC) FILETIME=[41265290:01C24A43] Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:20:23 +0000 Lucas Gonze: >Spam is *the* tool for dissident news, since the fact that it's unsolicited >means that recipients can't be blamed for being on a mailing list. That depends on how the list is collected, or even on what the senders say about how the list is collected. Better to just put it on a website, and that way it can be surfed anonymously. AND it doesn't clutter my inbox. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:08:55 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D741B47C6F for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:55 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N1jTZ04367 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 02:45:29 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A11E2940F5; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0CE294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZFFzJmsb6CFx8j2lnFk529F6pHVq8zxRebZ/rkY9nOITB+/+3fN03H5gv+GHxViF4= Received: from eb-174121.od.nih.gov ([156.40.174.121] helo=TOSHIBA-L8QYR7M) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #6) id 17i3Uv-0007Lj-00 for fork@xent.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:44:25 -0400 From: "John Evdemon" <jevdemon@acm.org> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <3D655B37.2901.1DB12A@localhost> Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <20020823005705.D63AEC44E@argote.ch> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Description: Mail message body Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:44:23 -0400 On 23 Aug 2002 at 2:57, Robert Harley wrote: > It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, > but certainly nothing here supports the authoritative > sounding conclusion "Status: False". I actually thought it was pretty funny and quite accurate. Who cares if the spinmeisters are denying it? http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Fri Aug 23 11:08:03 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E461E44174 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:36 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N7RJZ14671 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:27:19 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13280; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:23:50 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from mail01.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail01.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.17]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13247 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:23:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 37798 messnum 126638 invoked from network[213.190.156.48/unknown]); 23 Aug 2002 07:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO XENON16) (213.190.156.48) by mail01.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 37798) with SMTP; 23 Aug 2002 07:23:11 -0000 Message-Id: <001b01c24a76$315c63d0$e600000a@XENON16> From: "wintermute" <cout@eircom.net> To: <ilug@linux.ie> References: <3d65260f.948.0@mail.dnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2 Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:25:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie < > > I downloaded a driver from the nVidia website and installed it using RPM. > Then I ran Sax2 (as was recommended in some postings I found on the net), but > it still doesn't feature my video card in the available list. What next? hmmm. Peter. Open a terminal and as root type lsmod you want to find a module called NVdriver. If it isn't loaded then load it. #insmod NVdriver.o Oh and ensure you have this module loaded on boot.... else when you reboot you might be in for a nasty surprise. Once the kernel module is loaded #vim /etc/X11/XF86Config in the section marked Driver I have "NeoMagic" you need to have Driver "nvidia" Here is part of my XF86Config Also note that using the card you are using you 'should' be able to safely use the FbBpp 32 option . Section "Module" Load "extmod" Load "xie" Load "pex5" Load "glx" SubSection "dri" #You don't need to load this Peter. Option "Mode" "666" EndSubSection Load "dbe" Load "record" Load "xtrap" Load "speedo" Load "type1" EndSection #Plus the Modelines for your monitor should be singfinicantly different. Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor Model" HorizSync 28.00-35.00 VertRefresh 43.00-72.00 Modeline "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 Modeline "1024x768" 49 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" Driver "neomagic" #Change this to "nvidia"... making sure the modules are in the correct path VendorName "Neomagic" # "Nvidia" BoardName "NM2160" BusID "PCI:0:18:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 #FbBpp 32 #Ie you should be able lto uncomment this line Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" # And add in higher resulutions as desired. EndSubSection EndSection -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:09:00 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8BB44161 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:57 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N8CWZ15864 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:12:32 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDA329418E; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from hughes-fe01.direcway.com (hughes-fe01.direcway.com [66.82.20.91]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC36294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spinnaker ([64.157.38.84]) by hughes-fe01.direcway.com (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license dcc4e84cb8fc01ca8f8654c982ec8526) with ESMTP id <20020823081149.JPJZ17240.hughes-fe01@spinnaker> for <fork@xent.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 04:11:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Chuck Murcko <chuck@topsail.org> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020822205834.D7039C44E@argote.ch> Message-Id: <DD4216FF-B66F-11D6-837F-003065F93D3A@topsail.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:11:02 -0700 According to my son, it was actually Homer Simpson, who claimed the French had no word for victory. Chuck On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 01:58 PM, Robert Harley wrote: > An apparent quote from Dubya, from the Times (sent to me by my Dad): > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-43-351083,00.html > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > TONY BLAIR's special relationship with George W. Bush is under > considerable strain. Not only do the two disagree on Yassir Arafat's > tenure as leader of the Palestinian Authority, but Blair has started > telling disparaging anecdotes about the President. > > Baroness Williams of Crosby recalled a story told to her by 'my good > friend Tony Blair' recently in Brighton. Blair, Bush and Jacques > Chirac were discussing economics and, in particular, the decline of > the French economy. 'The problem with the French,' Bush confided in > Blair, 'is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur.' > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > R > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork > http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From fork-admin@xent.com Fri Aug 23 11:09:00 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB6743F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:06:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7N8rUZ17136 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:53:30 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7345F294192; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from argote.ch (argote.ch [80.65.224.17]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308B6294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 01:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argote.ch (Postfix, from userid 500) id D5070C44E; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:44:35 +0200 (CEST) To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Entrepreneurs Message-Id: <20020823084435.D5070C44E@argote.ch> From: harley@argote.ch (Robert Harley) Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 10:44:35 +0200 (CEST) Whore eructed: >--]It's an amusing anecdote, I don't know if it's true or not, but >--]certainly nothing here supports the authoritative sounding conclusion >--]"Status: False". > >So thats the trick, just let any anecdotal utterances you LIKE be deemed >true [...] Exsqueeze me, but what part of "I don't know if it's true or not" did you fail to grok? I personally doubt it simply because I never heard of Bush and Chirac going to Brighton. Next time I hear a joke, I promise not to laugh until I have checked out primary sources for confirmation in triplicate, OK? Good thing we have you around to keep us on the straight and narrow, all the while inundating us with such erudite profundities as "Kill your idols folks", "fight the powers that be, from with out and from with in" and innumerable other dippy bromides. R http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork

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From quinlan@pathname.com Fri Aug 23 11:33:57 2002 Return-Path: <quinlan@pathname.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C5643F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 06:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:33:56 +0100 (IST) Received: from proton.pathname.com (adsl-216-103-211-240.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.211.240]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7NAVFZ20272 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:31:15 +0100 Received: from quinlan by proton.pathname.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17iBiq-0005K9-00; Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:31:20 -0700 To: zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org, craig@deersoft.com Subject: FYI - gone this weekend Cc: quinlan@pathname.com Message-Id: <E17iBiq-0005K9-00@proton.pathname.com> From: Daniel Quinlan <quinlan@pathname.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 03:31:20 -0700 I won't be reading email until Sunday night or so. Good luck with 2.40 and don't do anything I wouldn't do. ;-) - Dan

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:42:34 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD0D43F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:42:34 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFYfZ18351 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:34:42 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30663; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:32:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.18]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA30628 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:32:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 48111 messnum 226577 invoked from network[213.190.156.48/unknown]); 29 Aug 2002 15:15:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO XENON16) (213.190.156.48) by mail02.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 48111) with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 15:15:37 -0000 Message-Id: <005401c24f6f$2f797b90$e600000a@XENON16> From: "wintermute" <cout@eircom.net> To: <ilug@linux.ie> References: <3D6E355E.9060008@diva.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] eircoms adsl modems Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:17:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie It will function as a router if that is what you wish. It even looks like the modem's embedded OS is some kind of linux, being that it has interesting interfaces like eth0. I don't use it as a router though.... I just have it do the absolute minimum DSL stuff and do all the really fun stuff like pppoe on my linux box........ Also the manual tells you what the default password is. Don't forget to run pppoe over the alcatel speedtouch 350i as in my case you 'HAVE TO' have a bridge configured in the router/modem's software........ This lists your VCI values etc. > Also, does anyone know if the high-end SpeedTouch, with > 4 ethernet ports, can act as a full router or do I still > need to run a pppoe stack on the linux box? > > Regards, > > Vin > > > -- > Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie > http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. > List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie > -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 16:52:57 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7996B44155 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:52:54 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFklZ18708 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:46:47 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6122940DA; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from smtp1.auracom.net (smtp1.auracom.net [165.154.140.23]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5E12940DA for <FoRK@xent.com>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maya.dyndns.org (ts5-038.ptrb.interhop.net [165.154.190.102]) by smtp1.auracom.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7TFIpD06133; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 72BCA1C38A; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> Cc: FoRK <FoRK@xent.com> Subject: Re: Internet saturation (but not in Iceland) References: <200208290358.03815.eh@mad.scientist.com> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m2znv5y9og.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 29 Aug 2002 11:19:27 -0400 >>>>> "E" == Eirikur Hallgrimsson <eh@mad.scientist.com> writes: E> Gary's news service at teledyn.com has an article on Internet E> Saturation. Let me ask you....If you were on a rock in the E> middle of the Atlantic, mostly in the dark for half the year, E> wouldn't *you* like a bit of internet distraction? They've E> already done the obvious and fiber-ringed the island. There's lots of similar places. Saskatchewan, for example, once shared with Iceland the distinction of most telephone connections per capita, and for a long time shared the internet penetration lead with Iceland (Sask is a land-locked massive expanse of ultra-flat dust with only two rivers and farm sizes measured in the hundred-thousand-hectares). It's still curious Iceland leads. Maybe there's just a deep cultural curiousity and fascination with watching advertising from the rest of the world. Maybe they're downloading Bjork videos. -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)

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From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Sep 11 13:49:36 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C984816F03 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B6gJC04943 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:42:19 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD47D2940CD; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from hotmail.com (dav60.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.22.195]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8076A29409A for <fork@xent.com>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:41:15 -0700 X-Originating-Ip: [207.202.171.254] From: "Mr. FoRK" <fork_list@hotmail.com> To: <fork@example.com> Subject: Microsoft buys XDegress - more of a p2p/distributed data thing... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-Id: <DAV60BuhOF3Gc76oajS00012b65@hotmail.com> X-Originalarrivaltime: 11 Sep 2002 06:41:15.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A3820B0:01C2595E] Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:45:31 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OE version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: I like this part - sounds like httpd on the client... http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2001/04/27/xdegrees.html "Once the Client Component is installed, a server can order a program to run on the client. Any CGI script, Java servlet, ASP component, etc. could be run on the client. This is like breaking the Web server into two parts. Originally, Web servers just understood HTTP and sent pages. Then the field started demanding more from the Web and the servers got loaded down with CGI and mod_perl and active pages and stuff. So now the Web server can choose to go back to simple serving and (where the application is appropriate) let the client do the other razzamatazz. This is superior to JavaScript in one important detail: the program doesn't have to reload when a new page is loaded, as JavaScript functions do. And because XDegrees uses Web-compatible technology, users can access XDegrees resources without installing any software, simply by using their browser." === "Scaling is the main question that comes to mind when somebody describes a new naming and searching system. CEO Michael Tanne claims to have figured out mathematically that the system can scale up to millions of users and billions of resources. Scaling is facilitated by the careful location of servers (XDegrees will colocate servers at key routing points, as Akamai does), and by directing clients to the nearest server as their default "home" server. Enterprise customers can use own servers to manage in-house applications." "Files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the Internet, as with Napster or Freenet. In fact, the caching in XDegrees is more sophisticated than it is on those systems: users with high bandwidth connections can download portions, or "stripes," of a file from several cached locations simultaneously. The XDegrees software then reassembles these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that the downloaded file is the same as the original. A key component of this digital signature is a digest of the file, which is stored as an HTTP header for the file."

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From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Sep 11 13:49:38 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913A716F16 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:37 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:37 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B71IC05326 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:01:18 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99EB2940FF; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F7CE29409A for <fork@xent.com>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 54161 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 07:00:06 -0000 Received: from adsl-67-119-24-188.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO golden) (67.119.24.188) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 07:00:06 -0000 X-Pair-Authenticated: 67.119.24.188 Message-Id: <029801c25960$db348560$640a000a@golden> From: "Gordon Mohr" <gojomo@usa.net> To: <fork@example.com> References: <DAV60BuhOF3Gc76oajS00012b65@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Microsoft buys XDegress - more of a p2p/distributed data thing... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:00:01 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.6 required=7.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,INVALID_MSGID,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT_OE version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: Mr. FoRK writes: > "Files can be cached on multiple systems randomly scattered around the > Internet, as with Napster or Freenet. In fact, the caching in XDegrees is > more sophisticated than it is on those systems: users with high bandwidth > connections can download portions, or "stripes," of a file from several > cached locations simultaneously. The XDegrees software then reassembles > these stripes into the whole file and uses digital signatures to verify that > the downloaded file is the same as the original. A key component of this > digital signature is a digest of the file, which is stored as an HTTP header > for the file." This "more sophisticated than [Napster or Freenet]" part seems to be the same behavior implemented in many other P2P CDNs, such as: - Kazaa - EDonkey/Overnet - BitTorrent - Gnutella (with HUGE extensions) - OnionNetworks WebRAID ...though the quality of the "digest" used by each system varies wildly. - Gordon

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From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Sep 11 13:49:40 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C45016F17 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:49:39 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8B8HTC07346 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:17:31 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA98A2940C2; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from frodo.hserus.net (202-77-223-48.outblaze.com [202.77.223.48]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA79329409A for <FoRK@XeNT.CoM>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp-177-198.bng.vsnl.net.in ([203.197.177.198] helo=rincewind.pobox.com) by frodo.hserus.net with asmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17p2fg-000C65-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:16:25 +0800 X-PGP-Dsskey: 0x55FAB8D3 X-PGP-Rsakey: 0xCAA67415 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020911114003.02e170f0@frodo.hserus.net> X-Nil: To: Adam Rifkin <adam@KnowNow.com>, FoRK@xent.com From: Udhay Shankar N <udhay@pobox.com> Subject: storage bits In-Reply-To: <200012281832.MAA00992@server1.KnowNow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:45:45 +0530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dogma.slashnull.org id g8B8HTC07346 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=7.0 tests=CALL_FREE,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,FORGED_RCVD_TRAIL,IN_REP_TO, KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NIGERIAN_TRANSACTION_1, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: At 12:32 PM 12/28/00 -0600, Adam Rifkin wrote: >I repeat, IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for $375... >"home of fast, friendly courteous service! (R)" > >I kid you not. That's a half a cent a Megabyte for storage. >Not El Cheapo storage but top of the line storage. less than two years later, we have 320 GB for the same price: http://www.shareholder.com/maxtor/news/20020909-89588.cfm Maxtor Driving Capacity-Centric Enterprise Apps With "Super-Sized" ATA Drives Maxtor Continues its Leadership in the Market it Pioneered with a New Category of High-Density ATA Drives MILPITAS, Calif., September 9, 2002- Maxtor Corporation (NYSE: MXO), a worldwide leader in hard disk drives and data storage solutions, today announced Maxtor MaXLineTM, its newest generation of ATA drives designed specifically for rapidly emerging enterprise storage applications including near-line, media storage and network storage. The MaXLine family features two critical differentiators: huge capacities up to 320 GB for corporate archiving and media recording; and unique manufacturing and quality for 24/7 operations with mean time to failure (MTTF) rates exceeding one million hours. The MaXLine family is designed to bring hard disk drives into "near-line" archive applications. By adding a layer of MaXLine drives to archive architectures, companies can instantly recover time-critical data including executive e-mail, transaction data and accounting data that may need to be recovered on demand. These new drives are designed to solve another enterprise problem with the storage of video, media and audio conference call files. Even compressed, these files take up tremendous amounts of high-cost server space. Priced starting around $299.95 to $399.95 MSRP, Maxtor's MaXLine family offers high capacity drives for enterprise applications at price points between traditional ATA and SCSI drives. For system OEMs and white box builders, MaXLine offers high-density, easy-to-integrate storage for use in entry-level and mid-size server environments. "The demand for instant recall of archived data is expanding as companies are meeting their obligations to quickly access executive e-mails, financial documents and transaction records," said Mike Dooley, senior director of marketing for the Desktop Products Group at Maxtor. "Users may not need to access information in these applications on a daily basis, but when they do need access, it must be instant. Recent advances in ATA technology and our manufacturing processes allow us to build upon our legacy of experience and provide our customers with a family of premium ATA hard drives that can be integrated into a variety of systems for these enterprise applications." The MaXLine family includes the 5400-RPM MaXLine II, designed for capacities up to 320 GB and the 7200-RPM MaXLine Plus II, designed for capacities up to 250 GB. At these capacities, MaXLine offers higher storage density than many tape and optical solutions. These drives have also been tested and are projected to meet enterprise reliability requirements, already exceeded by prior drives employing the same robust Maxtor designs, which exceed MTTF of over one million hours. These drives will also carry a three-year warranty. The MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II feature the Maxtor Fast DriveTM UltraATA/133 interface for data transfer speeds up to 133 MB per second. The MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II will be available with next-generation serial ATA interface for higher performance. At 150 MB per second maximum data transfer rate, serial ATA improves hard drive performance to keep pace with the rapidly increasing performance requirements of data intensive environments and enterprise applications. With a point-to-point connection architecture, and rich command set for managing hard drive activity and data flow along the interface, serial ATA advances the performance and efficiency of the drive to system interface. The interface's reduced pin count allows for simpler cabling which in turn allows better airflow within a system and further benefits the user with increased design flexibility and hot plug capability. "Maxtor's MaXLine family of drives provide a solution for storing data that has previously been too expensive to keep on disk," said Dave Reinsel, analyst at IDC. "The ATA drives offer a great value, low cost per GB and when integrated into storage systems and file servers offer a compelling cost-effective alternative to tape libraries and optical drives, which have been the traditional solutions used for near-line applications." Availability Limited qualification units of the parallel ATA versions of Maxtor MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II are now available; with volume units available in the fourth quarter. Qualification units of the MaXLine II and MaXLine Plus II with serial ATA will be available later this month with volume shipments scheduled to begin in the first quarter of 2003. About Maxtor Maxtor Corporation (www.maxtor.com) is one of the world's leading suppliers of information storage solutions. The company has an expansive line of storage products for desktop computers, storage systems, high-performance servers and consumer electronics. Maxtor has a reputation as a proven market leader built by consistently providing high-quality products and service and support for its customers. Maxtor and its products can be found at www.maxtor.com or by calling toll-free (800) 2-MAXTOR. Maxtor is traded on the NYSE under the MXO symbol. Note: Maxtor, MaXLine and the Maxtor logo are registered trademarks of Maxtor Corporation. Fast Drive is a trademark of Maxtor Corporation. All other trademarks are properties of their respective owners. GB means 1 billion bytes. Total accessible capacity varies depending on operating environment. This announcement relating to Maxtor may contain forward-looking statements concerning future technology, products incorporating that technology, and Maxtor's execution. These statements are based on current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties which could materially affect the company's results, including, but not limited to, market demand for hard disk drives, the company's ability to execute future production ramps and utilize manufacturing assets efficiently, pricing, competition, and the significant uncertainty of market acceptance of new products. These and other risk factors are contained in documents that the company files with the SEC, including the Form 10-K for fiscal 2001 and its recent 10-Qs. Copyright � 2001, Maxtor Corporation �. Privacy Policy. -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

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From fork-admin@xent.com Wed Sep 11 14:10:33 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.example.com Received: from localhost (jalapeno [127.0.0.1]) by jmason.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E2116F03 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:10:32 +0100 (IST) Received: from jalapeno [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:10:32 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8BD4KC15488 for <jm@jmason.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:04:20 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D538D2940D0; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@example.com Received: from smtp1.superb.net (smtp1.superb.net [207.228.225.14]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A29629409A for <FoRK@XeNT.CoM>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19867 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 13:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maya.dyndns.org) (207.61.5.143) by smtp1.superb.net with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 13:03:44 -0000 Received: by maya.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 584B91CC98; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:03:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Udhay Shankar N <udhay@pobox.com> Cc: Adam Rifkin <adam@KnowNow.com>, FoRK@xent.com Subject: Re: storage bits References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020911114003.02e170f0@frodo.hserus.net> From: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Home-Page: http://www.teledyn.com Organization: TCI Business Innovation through Open Source Computing Message-Id: <m2k7lsispi.fsf@maya.dyndns.org> Reply-To: Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@canada.com> X-Url: http://www.teledyn.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@example.com> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 11 Sep 2002 09:03:37 -0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.5 required=7.0 tests=AWL,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NOSPAM_INC,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.50-cvs X-Spam-Level: >>>>> "U" == Udhay Shankar N <Udhay> writes: U> At 12:32 PM 12/28/00 -0600, Adam Rifkin wrote: >> I repeat, IBM 76.8Gb ultra dma/100 hard drive at Fry's for >> $375... "home of fast, friendly courteous service! (R)" U> less than two years later, we have 320 GB for the same price: So then why does my webhost _still_ only give me 200MB? -- Gary Lawrence Murphy <garym@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc Business Advantage through Community Software : http://www.teledyn.com "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 16:02:06 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A6E44159 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:59:55 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QETrZ24800 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:29:53 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFB63F3B0; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3893EEF8 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QETRN12313 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:29:27 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QETRY12309 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:29:27 -0400 Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com (IDENT:f0BF3PrOASQe3KDkXhU9BlKJvR5us9rz@jump-austin.vircio.com [192.12.3.99]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QEEZl05220 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:14:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 1462 invoked by uid 104); 26 Aug 2002 14:29:26 -0000 Received: from cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com by localhost.localdomain with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4219. . Clean. Processed in 0.347504 secs); 26/08/2002 09:29:26 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com ([10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com>) by austin-jump.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; 26 Aug 2002 14:29:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 11403 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 14:29:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) ([127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com>) by localhost (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; 26 Aug 2002 14:29:25 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <25409.1030190165@munnari.OZ.AU> References: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029945287.4797.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029882468.3116.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <9627.1029933001@munnari.OZ.AU> <1029943066.26919.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1029944441.398.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <13277.1030015920@munnari.OZ.AU> <25409.1030190165@munnari.OZ.AU> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-694865624P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030372165.11396.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.57 Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804165.9a9180@DeepEddy.Com> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:29:23 -0500 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.2 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --==_Exmh_-694865624P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:56:05 +0700 > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 10:04:06 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030460647.7351a3@DeepEddy.Com> > Message-ID: <1030028647.6462.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > | hmmm, I assume you're going to report this to the nmh folks? > > Yes, I will, sometime, after I look at the nmh sources and see what > they have managed to break, and why. > > But we really want exmh to operate with all the versions of nmh that > exist, don't we? The patch to have exmh do the right thing, whether this > bug exists, or not, is trivial, so I'd suggest including it. > > Patch follows ... > > I have no idea why the sequences were being added after the message list > before, not that it should make any difference to nmh (or MH). But since > I stopped doing that, the variable "msgs" isn't really needed any more, > rather than assigning $pick(msgs) to msgs, and then using $msgs the code > could just use $pick(msgs) where $msgs is now used. This is just a > frill though, so I didn't change that. I'll fix this in CVS this afternoon. Thanks, Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-694865624P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9ajtDK9b4h5R0IUIRAlFjAKCJRCAKR2dkmh5oqHfkagDddfmrBwCdH6vv FCRlUSeu14edQaoD4yCWoDQ= =+lzS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-694865624P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 19:03:29 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD6043F99 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:03:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QI4SZ03731 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:04:32 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE003F362; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5FB3F407 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QI0wM26240 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:00:58 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QI0wY26236 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:00:58 -0400 Received: from milou.dyndns.org (h189n1fls22o974.telia.com [213.64.79.189]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QHk5l18771 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:46:05 -0400 Received: by milou.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 913C73F05; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tippex.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milou.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCE73F04 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5_20020826 01/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Exmh && speed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Message-Id: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.7 required=7.0 tests=KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: 2.5-release: 350-450 msec latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the user settings hasn't changed. Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? /Anders _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 19:24:02 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A1143F9B for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:24:02 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QIMAZ04311 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:22:20 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FCB3EA9E; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745E13F778 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QIHjQ04467 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:17:45 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QIHjY04463 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:17:45 -0400 Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com (jump-austin.vircio.com [192.12.3.99]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QI2ql23235 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:02:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 25872 invoked by uid 104); 26 Aug 2002 18:17:44 -0000 Received: from cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com by localhost.localdomain with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4219. . 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Processed in 0.323491 secs); 26/08/2002 13:17:44 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (@[10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com>) by austin-jump.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; 26 Aug 2002 18:17:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 10445 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 18:17:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) (?2fF9ssrzq9reRjnAkbOlzR5iItlzuL0M?@[127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com>) by localhost (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; 26 Aug 2002 18:17:39 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> References: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1521948024P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030385858.10433.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.57 Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030817859.2037e8@DeepEddy.Com> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:17:37 -0500 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.2 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,MULTIPART_SIGNED, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --==_Exmh_1521948024P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 > > > lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I > just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the > scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. > > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > > Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the > user settings hasn't changed. > > Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences. I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on Friday, and have plenty of "real work" to do, I won't be able to do much until I get back. I *will* look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check into what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be hurt. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_1521948024P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9anDAK9b4h5R0IUIRAi7qAJsEAXgadxpxYR5yEcwl9VcuhonraACcDI87 yyhj/sCflWdxrSbT4ZsT9yU= =AcMk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1521948024P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 19:24:06 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC6844155 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:24:03 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QIPeZ04341 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:25:40 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421593FA4E; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202603EA03 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QIMwx05888 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QIMwY05884 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from turing-police.cc.vt.edu (turing-police.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.121]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QI85l24455 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from turing-police.cc.vt.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing-police.cc.vt.edu (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7QIMk7P005756; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200208261822.g7QIMk7P005756@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4+dev To: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200." <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu X-Url: http://black-ice.cc.vt.edu/~valdis/ X-Face-Viewer: See ftp://cs.indiana.edu/pub/faces/index.html to decode picture X-Face: 34C9$Ewd2zeX+\!i1BA\j{ex+$/V'JBG#;3_noWWYPa"|,I#`R"{n@w>#:{)FXyiAS7(8t( ^*w5O*!8O9YTe[r{e%7(yVRb|qxsRYw`7J!`AM}m_SHaj}f8eb@d^L>BrX7iO[<!v4-0bVIpaxF#-) %9#a9h6JXI|T|8o6t\V?kGl]Q!1V]GtNliUtz:3},0"hkPeBuu%E,j(:\iOX-P,t7lRR# References: <20020826180041.913C73F05@milou.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1913987426P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-10.8 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,MULTIPART_SIGNED,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --==_Exmh_-1913987426P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200, Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> said: > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick "just pound on 'next' and watch the wall clock" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in under 5 seconds, so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a really piggy CPU spike (100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code. Of course, it seems to be related to number-of-folders: [~] wc Mail/.folders 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders It's particularly annoying because things just hose-and-hang for 10 seconds, so when it hits, you have a long latency before what you're doing actually happens... 14:08:54 Background_DoPeriodic flist 14:08:54 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0 14:08:54 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0 14:08:56 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/exmh/.mh_sequences 14:08:56 exmh has 1 msgs in unseen 14:08:56 1 unseen message in 1 folder 14:08:56 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup} 14:08:56 {Setting flag glyph to iconup} 14:08:56 {Set flag state to up} 14:08:58 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/list-spams/.mh_sequences 14:08:58 list-spams has 1 msgs in unseen 14:08:58 2 unseen messages in 2 folders 14:08:58 {In FlagInner up iconup labelup} 14:09:02 Reading /home/valdis/Mail/trash/.mh_sequences 14:09:02 trash has 2 msgs in pseq 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7508 not found 14:09:03 /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/7507 not found 14:09:03 {pseq: 7506-7508 => 7506} 14:09:03 Writing /home/valdis/Mail/xemacs/.mh_sequences 14:09:03 xemacs has 1 msgs in pseq 14:09:03 Flist_Done And it takes a hit even if there's no new mail: 14:11:03 Background_DoPeriodic flist 14:11:03 Flist_FindSeqs reset=0 14:11:03 FlistFindStart reset=0 active=0 14:11:12 Flist_Done 14:11:12 Flist_FindSeqs end {9018315 microseconds per iteration} I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about a brown-paper-bag bug... ;) -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech --==_Exmh_-1913987426P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQE9anH1cC3lWbTT17ARAvzuAKDShPISux8PrLitv4WIzUiCxfj60gCgvEPy QnWKrjGimFVroJcIHICt2e4= =T3wR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1913987426P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 19:44:41 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667244155 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:44:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QIfLZ04793 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:41:22 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC48A3F03A; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5753F3D3 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QIduZ10272 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:39:56 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QIdtY10268 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:39:55 -0400 Received: from austin-jump.vircio.com (jump-austin.vircio.com [192.12.3.99]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QIP3l28717 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:25:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 27204 invoked by uid 104); 26 Aug 2002 18:39:55 -0000 Received: from cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com by localhost.localdomain with qmail-scanner-0.90 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4219. . 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X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.2 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,MULTIPART_SIGNED, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --==_Exmh_1581673767P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 -0400 > > I'm perfectly willing to can-opener that code and see where the CPU is > going, but only if nobody is slapping their forehead and mumbling about > a brown-paper-bag bug... ;) As I mentioned in my email to Anders, it's certainly in my code and I don't have time to work on it right now, so I would not be offended if you worked on it. I just this moment found out that my partner has promised a few things would be done before my vacation that will require my efforts, so it's even more true that it was when I sent the mail to Anders. 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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 23:40:32 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB0844155 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:40:28 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QMdLZ12693 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:39:22 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FD23FBDF; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF8E40269 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QMYtf01202 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:34:55 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QMYtY01198 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:34:55 -0400 Received: from milou.dyndns.org (h189n1fls22o974.telia.com [213.64.79.189]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QMK1l18661 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:20:01 -0400 Received: by milou.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 0009A3F21; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tippex.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milou.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7513F20 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5_20020826 01/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: Message from Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 EDT." <200208261822.g7QIMk7P005756@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Message-Id: <20020826223448.0009A3F21@milou.dyndns.org> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:43 +0200 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.0 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: cwg-dated-1030817858.a49b7e@DeepEddy.Com said: > From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:00:36 +0200 > > > lately I've got the feeling that exmh is getting slower and slower. I > just decided to check that vs. reality, and yes, speed has left the > scene somewhere between the release of 2.5 and now. > > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > > Frankly I think this is getting close to non-acceptable since the > user settings hasn't changed. > > Anybody have any ideas where performance disappeared? > Most likely in the added overhead of managing more sequences. > I'm sure it can be tuned a bunch, but as I'm leaving for a vacation on > Friday, and have plenty of "real work" to do, I won't be able to do > much until I get back. > I *will* look at all this when I get back, but if you want to check > into what's slow and fix things while I'm gone, my feelings won't be > hurt. > Chris Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the problem. Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity? /A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Mon Aug 26 23:40:32 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BB744156 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:40:29 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7QMdsZ12703 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:39:55 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29093F9B1; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEFB3F553 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7QMcHo02036 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:38:17 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QMcHY02032 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:38:17 -0400 Received: from milou.dyndns.org (h189n1fls22o974.telia.com [213.64.79.189]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7QMNMl19536 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:23:22 -0400 Received: by milou.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id AB8A13F21; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:38:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tippex.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milou.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C793F20; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:38:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5_20020826 01/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: Message from Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:22:46 EDT." <200208261822.g7QIMk7P005756@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Message-Id: <20020826223810.AB8A13F21@milou.dyndns.org> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:38:05 +0200 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.1 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu said: > I checked on a number of small messages in a big folder (~10000 > msgs). The delay of the Next button has increased considerably: > > 2.5-release: 350-450 msec > latest cvs: 1000-12000 msec > I'm not seeing a hit on 'next'. A quick "just pound on 'next' and > watch the wall clock" test shows me able to go through 20 messages in > under 5 seconds, so it's well under 250ms per switch, but I'm seeing a > really piggy CPU spike (100% for a few seconds) in the 'flist' code. > Of course, it seems to be related to number-of-folders: > [~] wc Mail/.folders > 131 131 1122 Mail/.folders I have 167 folders (!) and run with bg-proc set to flist (1 minute). I see delays, but not that much. Maybe 1-3 seconds (which tend to disappear these days). This is on a PII-266. BR, /A _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From fork-admin@xent.com Thu Aug 29 16:32:25 2002 Return-Path: <fork-admin@xent.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C408E43F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:32:25 +0100 (IST) Received: from xent.com ([64.161.22.236]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFU0Z18213 for <zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:30:03 +0100 Received: from lair.xent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDE12940F6; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Received: from mx.spiritone.com (mx.spiritone.com [216.99.221.5]) by xent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E151294099 for <fork@xent.com>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28639 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 15:28:11 -0000 Received: (ofmipd 216.99.213.165); 29 Aug 2002 15:27:49 -0000 Message-Id: <EEE172E4-BB63-11D6-8C04-00039344DDD6@ordersomewherechaos.com> From: "RossO" <fork@ordersomewherechaos.com> To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org Subject: Re: Computational Recreations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0208261252210.16631-100000@crank.slack.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: fork-admin@xent.com Errors-To: fork-admin@xent.com X-Beenthere: fork@spamassassin.taint.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:fork@spamassassin.taint.org> List-Subscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://xent.com/mailman/listinfo/fork>, <mailto:fork-request@xent.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://xent.com/pipermail/fork/> Date: 29 Aug 2002 08:28:13 -0700 On Monday, August 26, 2002, at 09:59 AM, Tom wrote: > Post MG in the 80's there were the colums by A K Dewdney that I dug a > bunch put into a book called Turing Omnibus and then there is , of > course, all the goodens put out by Dougy Hoffstadler. A.K. Dewdney was the name I was looking for and the column was "Computer Recreations". Turns out he's still in Ontario and even has some homemade Sci-Fi online... http://www.csd.uwo.ca/faculty/akd/TALES/index.html Vat Man Programming Roger The Homunculids Alphie & Omega ...Ross...

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From exmh-users-admin@redhat.com Thu Aug 22 14:44:07 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-users-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985B247C67 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:44:04 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7MDgEZ08598 for <zzzz-exmh@example.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 14:42:19 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26113EE9A; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-users@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACEF3F4A2 for <exmh-users@listman.redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7MDc0601591 for exmh-users@listman.redhat.com; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:38:00 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MDc0Y01587 for <exmh-users@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:38:00 -0400 Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7MDNVl14108 for <exmh-users@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:23:31 -0400 Received: from hobbit.linuxworks.com.au ([144.135.24.81]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta03bw May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H18Z7300.F6G for <exmh-users@redhat.com>; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:37:51 +1000 Received: from CPE-203-51-220-31.qld.bigpond.net.au ([203.51.220.31]) by bwmam05.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 44/32989362); 22 Aug 2002 23:37:51 Received: (from tony@localhost) by hobbit.linuxworks.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7MDaWX26868; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:36:32 +1000 Message-Id: <200208221336.g7MDaWX26868@hobbit.linuxworks.com.au.nospam> To: Exmh Users Mailing List <exmh-users@example.com> From: Tony Nugent <tony@linuxworks.com.au> X-Face: ]IrGs{LrofDtGfsrG!As5=G'2HRr2zt:H>djXb5@v|Dr!jOelxzAZ`!}("]}] Q!)1w#X;)nLlb'XhSu,QL>;)L/l06wsI?rv-xy6%Y1e"BUiV%)mU;]f-5<#U6 UthZ0QrF7\_p#q}*Cn}jd|XT~7P7ik]Q!2u%aTtvc;)zfH\:3f<[a:)M Organization: Linux Works for network X-Mailer: nmh-1.0.4 exmh-2.4 X-Os: Linux-2.4 RedHat 7.2 In-Reply-To: message-id <200208212046.g7LKkqf15798@mail.banirh.com> of Wed, Aug 21 15:46:52 2002 Subject: Re: Insert signature X-Loop: exmh-users@example.com Sender: exmh-users-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-users-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-users@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: exmh-users@example.com List-Help: <mailto:exmh-users-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-users@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users>, <mailto:exmh-users-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH users <exmh-users.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users>, <mailto:exmh-users-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-users/> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:36:32 +1000 On Wed Aug 21 2002 at 15:46, Ulises Ponce wrote: > Hi! > > Is there a command to insert the signature using a combination of keys and not > to have sent the mail to insert it then? I simply put it (them) into my (nmh) component files (components, replcomps, forwcomps and so on). That way you get them when you are editing your message. Also, by using comps files for specific folders you can alter your .sig per folder (and other tricks). See the docs for (n)mh for all the details. There might (must?) also be a way to get sedit to do it, but I've been using gvim as my exmh message editor for a long time now. I load it with a command that loads some email-specific settings, eg, to "syntax" colour-highlight the headers and quoted parts of an email)... it would be possible to map some (vim) keys that would add a sig (or even give a selection of sigs to choose from). And there are all sorts of ways to have randomly-chosen sigs... somewhere at rtfm.mit.edu... ok, here we go: rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/news.answers/signature_finger_faq. (Warning... it's old, May 1995). > Regards, > Ulises Hope this helps. Cheers Tony _______________________________________________ Exmh-users mailing list Exmh-users@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-users

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From spamassassin-talk-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Thu Aug 29 16:42:46 2002 Return-Path: <spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB0C43F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:42:44 +0100 (IST) Received: from usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net (usw-sf-fw2.sourceforge.net [216.136.171.252]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFYvZ18369 for <zzzz-sa@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:34:58 +0100 Received: from usw-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.13] helo=usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net) by usw-sf-list2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kRI7-0008KP-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:33:03 -0700 Received: from moonbase.zanshin.com ([167.160.213.139]) by usw-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Cipher TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 3.31-VA-mm2 #1 (Debian)) id 17kRHG-000488-00 for <spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:10 -0700 Received: from aztec.zanshin.com (IDENT:schaefer@aztec.zanshin.com [167.160.213.132]) by moonbase.zanshin.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g7TFW8J23933 for <spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 From: Bart Schaefer <schaefer@zanshin.com> To: Spamassassin-Talk <spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [SAtalk] O.T. Habeus -- Why? In-Reply-To: <3D6E255A.CB569D9B@hallikainen.com> Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0208290714450.30051-100000@aztec.zanshin.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net Errors-To: spamassassin-talk-admin@example.sourceforge.net X-Beenthere: spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@example.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:spamassassin-talk@example.sourceforge.net> List-Subscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk>, <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Talk about SpamAssassin <spamassassin-talk.example.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://example.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk>, <mailto:spamassassin-talk-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.geocrawler.com/redir-sf.php3?list=spamassassin-talk> X-Original-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:32:08 -0700 (PDT) On 28 Aug 2002, Daniel Quinlan wrote: > Dan Kohn <dan@dankohn.com> writes: > > > Daniel, it's easy enough for you to change the Habeas scores yourself > > on your installation. If Habeas fails to live up to its promise to > > only license the warrant mark to non-spammers and to place all > > violators on the HIL, then I have no doubt that Justin and Craig will > > quickly remove us from the next release. But, you're trying to kill > > Habeas before it has a chance to show any promise. > > I think I've worked on SA enough to understand that I can localize a > score. I'm just not comfortable with using SpamAssassin as a vehicle > for drumming up your business at the expense of our user base. I have to agree here. If Habeas is going to die just because SA does not support it, that's a serious problem with the business model; but that is nobody's problem but Habeas's. A possible solution is for Habeas's business model to include some kind of incentive for users of SA to give it the benefit of the doubt. I have yet to think of an incentive that fits the bill ... On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Justin Mason wrote: > I don't see a problem supporting it in SpamAssassin -- but I see Dan's > points. > > - high score: as far as I can see, that's because SpamAssassin is > assigning such high scores to legit newsletters these days, and the > Habeas mark has to bring it down below that. :( IMO we have to fix > the high-scorers anyway -- no spam ever *needs* to score over 5 in our > scoring system, 5 == tagged anyway. This is off the topic of the rest of this discussion, but amavisd (in all its incarnations) and MIMEDefang and several other MTA plugins all reject at SMTP time messages that scores higher than some threshold (often 10). If some new release were to start scoring all spam no higher than 5.1, there'd better be _zero_ FPs, because all those filters would drop their thresholds to 5. On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Michael Moncur wrote: > But I agree that there needs to be more focus on eliminating rules that > frequently hit on newsletters. If any newsletters actually use the Habeas > mark, that will be one way to help. Newsletters won't use the mark. Habeas is priced way too high -- a factor of at least 20 over what the market will bear, IMO -- on a per-message basis for most typical mailing lists (Lockergnome, say) to afford it. On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > Habeus has come up with a very clever way to use existing law to battle > spam. It seems that at some point they could drop the licensing fee to > $1 or less and make all their income off suing the spammers for > copyright infringement. Sorry, that just can't work. If the Habeas mark actually becomes both widespread enough in non-spam, and effectively-enforced enough to be absent from spam, such that, e.g., SA could assign a positive score to messages that do NOT have it, then spammers are out of business and Habeas has no one to sue. There's nobody left to charge except the people who want (or are forced against their will because their mail won't get through otherwise) to use the mark. Conversely, if there are enough spammers forging the mark for Habeas to make all its income suing them, then the mark is useless for the purpose for which it was designed. Either way it seems to me that, after maybe a couple of lawsuits against real spammers and a lot of cease-and-desist letters to clueless Mom&Pops, then either (a) they're out of business, (b) they have to sell the rights to use the mark to increasingly questionable senders, or (c) they've both created and monopolized a market for "internet postage stamps" that everybody has to pay them for. The latter would be quite a coup if they [*] could pull it off -- they do absolutely nothing useful, unless you consider threatening people with lawsuits useful, yet still collect a fee either directly or indirectly from everyone on the internet -- effectively we'll be paying them for the privilege of policing their trademark for them. I don't believe they'll ever get that far, but I don't particularly want to help them make it. [*] And I use the term "they" loosely, because the whole company could consist of one lawyer if it really got to that point. ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list Spamassassin-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:42:35 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D9143F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:42:35 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFblZ18551 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:37:47 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30871; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:36:54 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from relay07.indigo.ie (relay07.indigo.ie [194.125.133.231]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA30845 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:36:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 68679 messnum 1027421 invoked from network[194.125.130.10/unknown]); 29 Aug 2002 15:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO win2000) (194.125.130.10) by relay07.indigo.ie (qp 68679) with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 15:36:44 -0000 Reply-To: <macarthy@iol.ie> From: "Justin MacCarthy" <macarthy@iol.ie> To: "Ilug@Linux.Ie" <ilug@linux.ie> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:37:26 +0100 Message-Id: <OFEGLPGPCHPACFLJPAILIECKECAA.macarthy@iol.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <LAEAIGLCKFNPNHBDGGEGMEKICFAA.aj.mckee@nmtbmedia.com> Subject: [ILUG] Looking for a file / directory in zip file Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie Is there a way to look for a particular file or directory in 100's of zip files?? Something like zgrep but for the filename instead of a word Thanks Justin -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:52:52 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36DD43F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:52:51 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFlwZ18861 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:47:58 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31616; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:46:26 +0100 Received: from dspsrv.com (vir.dspsrv.com [193.120.211.34]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31563 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:45:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host vir.dspsrv.com [193.120.211.34] claimed to be dspsrv.com Received: from itg-gw.cr008.cwt.esat.net ([193.120.242.226] helo=waider.ie) by dspsrv.com with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17kRUR-00052Y-00; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:45:47 +0100 Message-Id: <3D6E409A.9030605@waider.ie> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:41:14 +0100 From: Waider <waider@waider.ie> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: macarthy@iol.ie Cc: "Ilug@Linux.Ie" <ilug@linux.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] Looking for a file / directory in zip file References: <OFEGLPGPCHPACFLJPAILIECKECAA.macarthy@iol.ie> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.65.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Justin MacCarthy wrote: | Is there a way to look for a particular file or directory in 100's of zip | files?? | Something like zgrep but for the filename instead of a word | | Thanks Justin | | probably there are more elegant solutions, but if your zips are in one directory you can do something like for i in *.zip do if unzip -v $i | grep -q FILEYOUWANT then ~ echo $i fi done Cheers, Waider. - -- waider@waider.ie / Yes, it /is/ very personal of me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQEVAwUBPW5AmaHbXyzZsAb3AQH+qQgA1vnUjJUwGDa1yCRQd3vZAnhkCF0KDBBA o9MYq4CUg9cEzKALkTyZu4eOprhL50ReaICUGLMMEc5htU9zove4F+CSuvbAKKHL nx7xa6kk2V+LFnwS6hWpdQolCaT+4iGZZbdFwmyNAWb/IrEYB0R4gp05sitDOl5U RRlzYSM3IUYDrYpDUuX7Ta7bLvSdC1PpWSqy/wXphNIh7Bs2+eB9ERAujuqi6vJo MBichYb3f3teVCQUbxTcaMowjpmv/Xm3gdUlGrUFbpc2O7447Xi5uDfRexzzDoJT HlFS6OO2ZqzcMrtUYEgsfyqpaF1WuD38JoFpa2TmSyX74bBhxS8ecw== =KYCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 16:52:52 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DCD43F9B for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:52:52 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFr2Z18960 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:53:02 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31908; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:27 +0100 Received: from hawk.dcu.ie (mail.dcu.ie [136.206.1.5]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31829 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host mail.dcu.ie [136.206.1.5] claimed to be hawk.dcu.ie Received: from prodigy.redbrick.dcu.ie (136.206.15.10) by hawk.dcu.ie (6.0.040) id 3D6203D30003D917 for ilug@linux.ie; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 Received: by prodigy.redbrick.dcu.ie (Postfix, from userid 2027) id 32184DA4A; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 (IST) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:51:17 +0100 From: Colin Whittaker <grimnar@redbrick.dcu.ie> To: Irish LUG list <ilug@linux.ie> Message-Id: <20020829165117.A16258@prodigy.Redbrick.DCU.IE> References: <20020829143111.GN1757@jinny.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020829143111.GN1757@jinny.ie>; from valen@tuatha.org on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:31:11PM +0100 Organization: North East Technologies Ltd. X-Subliminal-Message: Give Colin all your money. Subject: [ILUG] Re: serial console...not quite working Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie John P. Looney stated the following on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 03:31:11PM +0100 : > I'm not sure what exactly is wrong with this, but I can't get a redhat > 7.1 box to use ttyS0 as a console. > > The relevant bits of /boot/grub/grub.conf are: > > serial --unit=0 --speed=115200 > terminal --timeout=2 console serial > title=linux > root (hd0,4) > kernel /boot/bzImage ro root=/dev/md0 console=ttyS0,115200n81 ^ That 1 is unneeded and is probably whats upsetting your kernel we use "console=ttyS0,9600n8" but the 9600 is mainly cos we are a cisco shop and its to keepo everyhting the same. Colin -- "Design" is like a religion - too much of it makes you inflexibly and unpopular. Linus Torvalds -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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From ilug-admin@linux.ie Thu Aug 29 17:03:22 2002 Return-Path: <ilug-admin@linux.ie> Delivered-To: zzzz@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8730543F99 for <zzzz@localhost>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for zzzz@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:03:21 +0100 (IST) Received: from lugh.tuatha.org (root@lugh.tuatha.org [194.125.145.45]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7TFw4Z19203 for <zzzz-ilug@spamassassin.taint.org>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:58:04 +0100 Received: from lugh (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32495; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:56:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: lugh.tuatha.org: Host root@localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be lugh Received: from mail04.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (mail04.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.118.20]) by lugh.tuatha.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA32465 for <ilug@linux.ie>; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:56:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 20521 messnum 1113064 invoked from network[213.190.156.48/unknown]); 29 Aug 2002 15:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO XENON16) (213.190.156.48) by mail04.svc.cra.dublin.eircom.net (qp 20521) with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 15:56:14 -0000 Message-Id: <006001c24f74$dc1acde0$e600000a@XENON16> From: "wintermute" <cout@eircom.net> To: <ilug@linux.ie> References: <LAEAIGLCKFNPNHBDGGEGMEKICFAA.aj.mckee@nmtbmedia.com> <3D6E40AA.9080606@diva.ie> Subject: Re: [ILUG] eircoms adsl modems Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:58:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Sender: ilug-admin@linux.ie Errors-To: ilug-admin@linux.ie X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Irish Linux Users' Group <ilug.linux.ie> X-Beenthere: ilug@linux.ie Not true on the choice part. After three weeks of me telling eircom that I did not in fact need nor want their ?1800 worth of router and firewall nor their onsite survey... for the uncapped service I actually managed to get a 4 port modem (after asking for a 1 port modem) instead of ye olde hardware router & firewall and eircom onsite. I would have argued for the 1 port modem... (which I had asked for), but a Director wanted the DSL up ... and fast.... Still it only took me three weeks to get (almost) what I wanted.................................... -- Irish Linux Users' Group: ilug@linux.ie http://www.linux.ie/mailman/listinfo/ilug for (un)subscription information. List maintainer: listmaster@linux.ie

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Processed in 0.363928 secs); 26/08/2002 17:45:08 Received: from deepeddy.vircio.com (@[10.1.2.1]) (envelope-sender <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com>) by austin-jump.vircio.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; 26 Aug 2002 22:45:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 6638 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 22:45:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO deepeddy.vircio.com) (?mUS5Vc4pF2qLz/mLmfOBxJqd0SxJJKFu?@[127.0.0.1]) (envelope-sender <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com>) by localhost (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; 26 Aug 2002 22:45:05 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Exmh && speed In-Reply-To: <20020826223448.0009A3F21@milou.dyndns.org> References: <20020826223448.0009A3F21@milou.dyndns.org> X-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg X-Image-Url: http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/chris.gif MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1977488590P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1030401904.6628.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.57 Reply-To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030833905.819ead@DeepEddy.Com> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:45:03 -0500 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.2 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,MULTIPART_SIGNED, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: --==_Exmh_-1977488590P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > From: Anders Eriksson <aeriksson@fastmail.fm> > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:34:43 +0200 > > Just one more info. I measured the time spent wrapping the stuff in > Ftoc_Next with time {} so the data is for real. One difference > between mine and Valdis' setup (judging from his trace) is that I use > the address book. I've been doing that for ages so that can't be the > problem. Assuming it's my fault (which it probably is since nobody else has really been in there), it's most likely related to the number of sequences in a folder. I'd guess that something is either being called that shouldn't be or is being called more times than it should be. > Is there a way to get the log to print time with higher granularity? Not that I'm aware of. If you look in the code, there are various places where the time function is called in order to see how long it took to do things. You'll probably want to borrow that technique. Chris -- Chris Garrigues http://www.DeepEddy.Com/~cwg/ virCIO http://www.virCIO.Com 716 Congress, Suite 200 Austin, TX 78701 +1 512 374 0500 World War III: The Wrong-Doers Vs. the Evil-Doers. --==_Exmh_-1977488590P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.2_20000822 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE9aq9vK9b4h5R0IUIRAkZrAJ4uCzn3j+5JlaqhDeEOVBMZlSATqwCdGO8z gy5px3yMpRraa8JkwHRwmM0= =fGBe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1977488590P-- _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Tue Aug 27 02:35:11 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9371C43F99 for <jm@localhost>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:35:11 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7R1ZjZ20953 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:35:45 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7D64037E; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC3240335 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7R1Xst31424 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:33:54 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7R1XsY31420 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:33:54 -0400 Received: from blackcomb.panasas.com (gw2.panasas.com [65.194.124.178]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7R1Ixl17041 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:19:00 -0400 Received: from medlicott.panasas.com (IDENT:welch@medlicott.panasas.com [172.17.132.188]) by blackcomb.panasas.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02021; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:17:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200208270117.VAA02021@blackcomb.panasas.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5.9 07/25/2002 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030810636.135787@DeepEddy.Com> Cc: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>, exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: New Sequences Window In-Reply-To: <1030378636.4138.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1030378636.4138.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> Comments: In-reply-to Chris Garrigues <cwg-exmh@DeepEddy.Com> message dated "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:17:15 -0400." From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com> X-Url: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: "HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\W:AK\j?@?c1o<k;j'Ei/UL)!*0 ILwSR)J\bc)gjz!rrGQ2#i*f:M:ydhK}jp4dWQW?;0{,#iWrCV$4~%e/3)$1/D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:16:59 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: >>>Chris Garrigues said: > Done. I also eliminated the msgs variable on the theory that simpler is > > better (I spent a lot of time hacking out the underbrush in exmh while > working on the sequences window). Just a big *thank you* to Chris for being willing to dive in and get very messy. The sequence management code is some of the very oldest in exmh, and surely suffered as features were added over several years. When this stabilizes, it will be a great excuse for a 2.6 release. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Tue Aug 27 10:04:58 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492AD43F9B for <jm@localhost>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:04:58 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7R92sZ00417 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:02:54 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACBE3F1AE; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904C23F67D for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7R927T03959 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:02:07 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7R927Y03952 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:02:07 -0400 Received: from ratree.psu.ac.th ([202.28.97.6]) by mx1.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7R8ixl14947 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 04:45:11 -0400 Received: from delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (delta.coe.psu.ac.th [172.30.0.98]) by ratree.psu.ac.th (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7R8xJl24975; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:59:21 +0700 (ICT) Received: from munnari.OZ.AU (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by delta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7R8wwW12685; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:58:58 +0700 (ICT) From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> To: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com> Cc: exmh-workers@example.com Subject: Re: Anolther sequence related traceback In-Reply-To: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> References: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <16323.1030043119@munnari.OZ.AU> <6853.1030345218@munnari.OZ.AU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <12683.1030438738@munnari.OZ.AU> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:58:58 +0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com> Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> | Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll | see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people can't use the code in normal ways. But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). That is: 0 ^h - Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a look at it later. kre _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Wed Aug 28 10:46:06 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5B94415A for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:45:38 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7S1APZ05113 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:10:25 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9FF3FEC4; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3213F6EC for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7S18TP24258 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:08:29 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7S18TY24254 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:08:29 -0400 Received: from blackcomb.panasas.com (gw2.panasas.com [65.194.124.178]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7S0rSl17185 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:53:28 -0400 Received: from medlicott.panasas.com (IDENT:welch@medlicott.panasas.com [172.17.132.188]) by blackcomb.panasas.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30178; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:08:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5.9 07/25/2002 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> Cc: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com>, exmh-workers@redhat.com Subject: Re: Anolther sequence related traceback In-Reply-To: <12683.1030438738@munnari.OZ.AU> References: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <16323.1030043119@munnari.OZ.AU> <6853.1030345218@munnari.OZ.AU> <12683.1030438738@munnari.OZ.AU> Comments: In-reply-to Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> message dated "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:58:58 +0700." From: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com> X-Url: http://www.panasas.com/ X-Face: "HxE|?EnC9fVMV8f70H83&{fgLE.|FZ^$>@Q(yb#N,Eh~N]e&]=> r5~UnRml1:4EglY{9B+ :'wJq$@c_C!l8@<$t,{YUr4K,QJGHSvS~U]H`<+L*x?eGzSk>XH\W:AK\j?@?c1o<k;j'Ei/UL)!*0 ILwSR)J\bc)gjz!rrGQ2#i*f:M:ydhK}jp4dWQW?;0{,#iWrCV$4~%e/3)$1/D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:08:12 -0700 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: You can also duplicate thiswith MsgChange - noshow at the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence parser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22 is confused when asked to add/remove message "-" from a sequence. If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then we could add if {![string is integer $select(sel)]} { # bail out of message select mode } to the SelectTypein procedure. We can probably survive with if {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} { #bail out of message select mode } >>>Robert Elz said: > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Co m> > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > | Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll > | see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to Brent). > > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people > can't use the code in normal ways. > > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). > > That is: 0 ^h - > > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. > > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a > look at it later. -- Brent Welch Software Architect, Panasas Inc Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network www.panasas.com welch@panasas.com _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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From exmh-workers-admin@redhat.com Wed Aug 28 10:46:45 2002 Return-Path: <exmh-workers-admin@example.com> Delivered-To: yyyy@localhost.netnoteinc.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.labs.netnoteinc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBA943F99 for <jm@localhost>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phobos [127.0.0.1] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.0) for jm@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:46:11 +0100 (IST) Received: from listman.example.com (listman.example.com [66.187.233.211]) by dogma.slashnull.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7S4DtZ10295 for <jm-exmh@jmason.org>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 05:13:55 +0100 Received: from listman.example.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607353ECF2; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: exmh-workers@listman.example.com Received: from int-mx1.corp.example.com (int-mx1.corp.example.com [172.16.52.254]) by listman.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BE240765 for <exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by int-mx1.corp.example.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g7S4CDf21950 for exmh-workers@listman.redhat.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:12:13 -0400 Received: from mx1.example.com (mx1.example.com [172.16.48.31]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7S4CDY21946 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:12:13 -0400 Received: from mail2.lsil.com (mail2.lsil.com [147.145.40.22]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7S3vBl11178 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:57:11 -0400 Received: from mhbs.lsil.com (mhbs [147.145.31.100]) by mail2.lsil.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19515 for <exmh-workers@redhat.com>; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: kchrist@lsil.com Received: from inca.co.lsil.com by mhbs.lsil.com with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:11:53 -0700 Received: from flytrap.co.lsil.com (flytrap.co.lsil.com [172.20.3.234]) by inca.co.lsil.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18072; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:11:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bhuta.co.lsil.com (bhuta [172.20.12.135]) by flytrap.co.lsil.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA20558; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:11:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from bhuta (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bhuta.co.lsil.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id g7S4Bfd21693; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:11:41 -0600 (MDT) To: Brent Welch <welch@panasas.com> Cc: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>, Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Com>, exmh-workers@redhat.com Subject: Re: Anolther sequence related traceback Reply-To: Kevin.Christian@lsil.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:08:12 PDT." <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com> References: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <1030118301.3993.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> <16323.1030043119@munnari.OZ.AU> <6853.1030345218@munnari.OZ.AU> <12683.1030438738@munnari.OZ.AU> <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com> Message-Id: <21691.1030507901@bhuta> X-Loop: exmh-workers@example.com Sender: exmh-workers-admin@example.com Errors-To: exmh-workers-admin@example.com X-Beenthere: exmh-workers@example.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:exmh-workers-request@example.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:exmh-workers@example.com> List-Subscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Discussion list for EXMH developers <exmh-workers.example.com> List-Unsubscribe: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers>, <mailto:exmh-workers-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://listman.example.com/mailman/private/exmh-workers/> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:11:41 -0600 X-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.6 required=7.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,X_LOOP version=2.40-cvs X-Spam-Level: I may be wrong but I think a single select entry field is used for selecting messages and switching folders. Restricting the entries to be numeric would break the folder switching functionality, wouldn't it? My version of MsgChange, not yet updated, has a check if {$msgid != {}} { # Allow null msgid from Msg_ShowWhat, which supplies line instead if {$msgid < 0} return } else { ... at the start of the procedure which takes care of the single '-' case. Perhaps the thing to do is for MsgChange to validate a msgid as a number before continuing. Kevin In message <200208280108.VAA30178@blackcomb.panasas.com>, Brent Welch writes: > You can also duplicate thiswith > > MsgChange - noshow > > at the Tcl prompt in the Log window. I suspect that the sequence > parser, which understands things like 5-22 to mean messages 5 through 22 > is confused when asked to add/remove message "-" from a sequence. > > If we are allowed to assume 8.2 or higher, which we can't really, then > we could add > > if {![string is integer $select(sel)]} { > # bail out of message select mode > } > to the SelectTypein procedure. > > We can probably survive with > > if {![regexp {^[0-9]+$} $select(sel)]} { > #bail out of message select mode > } > > >>>Robert Elz said: > > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:27:56 -0500 > > From: Chris Garrigues <cwg-dated-1030804078.e8b0d5@DeepEddy.Co > m> > > Message-ID: <1030372078.11075.TMDA@deepeddy.vircio.com> > > > > | Tell me what keystroke made it happen so I can reproduce it and I'll > > | see what I can do about it (or if I can't, I'll hand it off to > Brent). > > > > Don't worry too much about it, you seem to have plenty of other things > > to do in the immediate future, and this one isn't so critical that people > > can't use the code in normal ways. > > > > But, to make it happen, type (with normal key bindings) any digit, so the > > code thinks you're trying a message number, then backspace, so the digit > > goes away, then '-' (other junk characters don't seem to have the > > problem, I have just been playing). That will do it (every time). > > > > That is: 0 ^h - > > > > Once you get into that state, the same traceback occurs for every > > character you type, until a message is selected with the mouse. > > > > This is looking like it might be easy to find and fix, so I'll take a > > look at it later. > > > -- > Brent Welch > Software Architect, Panasas Inc > Pioneering the World's Most Scalable and Agile Storage Network > www.panasas.com > welch@panasas.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Exmh-workers mailing list > Exmh-workers@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers _______________________________________________ Exmh-workers mailing list Exmh-workers@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/exmh-workers

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